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[Considering] New to vintage omegas and would love an estimate on a Pie-pan connie

StoneWolf
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I'm considering buying an Omega Constellation and would love to have a ballpark estimation of what it's worth, and an opinion of the community if all parts are original.
The year of production listed is 1952 but the dial reminds me of Deluxe editions from 1956, and the serial on the case back run through the Emmy Watch database brings back a production in 1947.
Case is in solid 18kt gold and powered by the 354 movement (which would match the 1952 production I guess?)

So is this a sort of high end Frankenstein or did I get my research wrong? How much would you estimate such a piece?

Thanks for your help!

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Hi and welcome!

I don't have a clue regarding the watch in question but you landed definitley in the right place here so stay tuned!
 
lucian23
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Not an expert but i think for this model the correct crown shape it's the octogonal one? The watch look very nice in my opinion but looking forward for more experienced opinions.
 
StoneWolf
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
How could you tell anything from those crappy pictures? The watch looks like a Ref. 2699.

http://omega-constellation-collecto...ega-constellation-model-2699-star-of.html?m=1

Serial number of the movement should be in the mid 12 million to low 13 million range and cal. 352 or 354.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa

Thanks for your great input. The ref is indeed a 2699 as shown on the case back, and with a cal.354, but serial is in the lower 11 million. Would that be too early and confirm the 1947 production date?
 
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StoneWolf StoneWolf
Thanks for your great input. The ref is indeed a 2699 as shown on the case back, and with a cal.354, but serial is in the lower 11 million. Would that be too early and confirm the 1947 production date?

With that early 11 million serial number then unfortunately the watch is a Franken.
 
gatorcpa
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Earliest Constellations were made in 1952, and the cal. 354’s started around 1953, so I’m afraid the movement is collection of parts that do not belong together.

The case and dial look genuine. Some early models used clover crowns, so that may be OK also.
gatorcpa
 
Bruce235
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Also the regular is pegged to the side so is in need of service.
Pass on this one.
 
Davidt
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It always concerns me when sellers have these wonderful angled, macro pictures but don’t provide me a basic front on shot of the dial.
 
kyle L
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I think the serial may be 13 million but from the pics it is blurred to look like 11.... It looks like a decent watch but nowhere near the $8k price the seller is asking online.

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iamvr
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StoneWolf StoneWolf
Thanks for your great input. The ref is indeed a 2699 as shown on the case back, and with a cal.354, but serial is in the lower 11 million. Would that be too early and confirm the 1947 production date?

Are you still referring to the number on the caseback? The relevant number is the serial number on the movement which is blurred in the pictures though

Edit: ok, Kyle was faster
 
StoneWolf
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I think the serial may be 13 million but from the pics it is blurred to look like 11.... It looks like a decent watch but nowhere near the $8k price the seller is asking online.

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Thank you so much for your insight. I was looking at the caseback and not where I should have! What would be a decent price for such a piece in your opinion?
 
StoneWolf
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Also the regular is pegged to the side so is in need of service.
Pass on this one.
Hi Bruce, thanks for your message. What do you mean by "the regular is pegged to the side"? Sorry I'm both new to the watch collecting world and not a native speaker!
I'm surprised as the watch is said to be fully serviced by what appears to be a serious vintage reseller.
 
gatorcpa
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I think the serial may be 13 million but from the pics it is blurred to look like 11....
If the movement serial number is 13 million and the case serial number (for gold watches only) is 11 million, that is what we would expect to see on a Ref. 2699. No frankenwatch. As I said, I can’t see anything regarding the movement serial.

StoneWolf StoneWolf
What do you mean by "the regular is pegged to the side"?

He means that the regulator (not “regular”), which controls the rate at which the watch is running, is not balanced between fast and slow. When the regulator is too far to the fast or slow side, it is a sign that the movement may require service.

If you buy this watch, it should at least be inspected by a watchmaker to ensure that is was serviced properly.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
 
__ryan__
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Top left lug might be bent inward. It appears that strap has been cut down to fit, or worn away from getting pinched.
 
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
If the movement serial number is 13 million and the case serial number (for gold watches only) is 11 million, that is what we would expect to see on a Ref. 2699. No frankenwatch. As I said, I can’t see anything regarding the movement serial.



He means that the regulator (not “regular”), which controls the rate at which the watch is running, is not balanced between fast and slow. When the regulator is too far to the fast or slow side, it is a sign that the movement may require service.

If you buy this watch, it should at least be inspected by a watchmaker to ensure that is was serviced properly.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa
Thanks, I think spell check got me on that one.
 
StoneWolf
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Thank you all for your insights! What do you guys think would a correct price for this model? I've seen other offers around the 5k€ mark but not in such good condition
 
TexOmega
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StoneWolf StoneWolf
Thank you all for your insights! What do you guys think would a correct price for this model? I've seen other offers around the 5k€ mark but not in such good condition


A correct price for me would be zero.
 
StoneWolf
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A correct price for me would be zero.
Hm I get that you might not buy this particular watch but I meant model as in a 1952 gold Deluxe Gold connie
 
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