New Speedmaster find in the wild... curious of thoughts?

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Remember that you can easily establish whether its beat is 5/s (321) or 6/s (861) if you don't have a timegrapher. Just take a slow-mow video and see whether the second hand (or the chrono hand when the stopwatch is running) ticks 5 or 6 times per second!
 
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I think this is a strong word. 😁
Well, it's easy with my iPhone X, I don't know which smartphones have slow-mow video these days.....😉
 
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Great find! Looking forward to seeing whats inside.
 
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Remember that you can easily establish whether its beat is 5/s (321) or 6/s (861) if you don't have a timegrapher. Just take a slow-mow video and see whether the second hand (or the chrono hand when the stopwatch is running) ticks 5 or 6 times per second!

Smartphone apps can sometimes do this as well, although I've had mixed success with Hairspring.
 
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Smartphone apps can sometimes do this as well, although I've had mixed success with Hairspring.
Yes, I've done that too but it's mixed success at best. The slow-mow video is quick and dirty but reliable to distinguish between a 321 & 861.
 
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SO... mystery partially solved. Serial starting 45xxxxxxx puts it at 1984 "unofficially". So, I'm guessing everything is probably original outside the dial?
 
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Ah! It’s an 80’ speedmaster with a 145.022-68 transitional dial then! No matter what, absolute score. you could part it out and get a hansom profit, or keep a great watch with cool story.

I think I might get a time correct dial and new hands, sell the transitional dial (any ideas of what it would go for, seems like good shape) and put this one back together, sell and hopefully fund a Broad Arrow and look for the next score. I'm addicted.
 
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Cool. Looks like an 80's Speedmaster with a randomly incorrect -68 dial and a 90's bezel, but the case, case back, movement, hands and bracelet are period correct.

I'd sell the dial, source a nice 80's dial, keep a look out for an 80's bezel and then keep it. You'll come out way ahead and it's a good story.
 
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So if this is a transitional dial on a 861, have the dial feet been shortened? That would affect resale value I would guess.
 
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The 68 transitional had an 861 movement, with a dial that looked like the older 321 dials, but with feet for an 861.

That's why it's known as the transitional.
 
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So if this is a transitional dial on a 861, have the dial feet been shortened? That would affect resale value I would guess.
The 145.022-68 dial was essentially a 145.012-67/68 dial made with feet for the 861 instead of the 321. So, it’s more rare because it’s a transitional, but it’s also got a smaller market because it’s so specific. I think it should be worth a similar amount to a 145.012 dial, but it may take longer to find the right buyer.
 
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I’d part it out and use the $$$ to buy a really nice 145.022-69 or perhaps stretch to a 145.012.

It’s a bit of a hodge-podge right now but the value of the parts can likely get you a really nice vintage -69.
 
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You should make a profit by selling the dial/hands and buying 80s tritium dials/ hands. Even after servicing it, you will have got an incredible bargain.
 
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I will either restore it and keep this one or sell it and fund my new grail, a broad arrow Speedy with silver bezel and maybe something else.
Just a reminder that OP is interested in a broad arrow speedy. 😀
 
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You should make a profit by selling the dial/hands and buying 80s tritium dials/ hands. Even after servicing it, you will have got an incredible bargain.
Do you think the hands are original to the movement or the dial? If they are correct to the movement, I'd probably just replace chrono hand.
 
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New friends, I really appreciate all the help on this one. I felt confident taking the caseback off (sticky ball) and dust cover but not sure about removing stem and the dial. The caseback is not wanting to easily go back on so I think I'm going to take this to a local watchsmith and have him remove sellable parts and start hunting.

Let me know if any of you have the time correct bezel and/or hands or know of a guy. Also, anybody with a nice condition black dial Broad Arrow on steel bracelet. I prefer the ones that don't say 1957, not sure the reference.

Seems like the market is all over the place on the dial and hands? Are these prices the best reference? Do the small hands need to go with the dial as well?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Om...sh=item25f8d08a5f:g:54IAAOSwEOpaAmOt#viTabs_0

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...=14324&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1
 
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Do you think the hands are original to the movement or the dial? If they are correct to the movement, I'd probably just replace chrono hand.
AH! The 80s dial will be luminova I'm guessing??