So if they sell you a new car with the roof a few inches lower than it should be, and you discover that and return it, then it's your fault if the dealer sells it to another person, instead of returning it to the manufacturer?
But it's ok if we want to return a watch we own because of some OCD hinkiness since it isn't exactly like every other Speedmaster. Got it.
Yea, in your humble opinion.
If madness has a price, then it is not just madness, but something you should learn and pay attention to. You think DON and DNN really make a difference in telling time? But how much more is a DON bezel worth?
Similarly, the perception of whether a case has been polished or not has a price. I don't know how long have you been collecting and selling, but an unpolished watch could easily sell for 10-20% higher vs a polished one. So the perception of whether the case looks thin or not, call it madness, will have an impact on your wallet.
Yes, I was. And I still don't get it. They are an AD, not the case manufacturer. So their stance seems a bit overdramatic to me. If they are truly concerned I would think they would alert their Omega supplier/ rep ASAP.
So if they sell you a new car with the roof a few inches lower than it should be, and you discover that and return it, then it's your fault if the dealer sells it to another person, instead of returning it to the manufacturer?
D DuckieIt's all rubbish.
If there's variation between the offerings from new and there's variation between them when properly cared for and serviced.
Who would know if a particular example was touched up to factory specs unless they had to take a heavy hand to it in order to clean it up enough to pass some kind of muster.
And with all these wannabes looking at macro pics of variations in new watches pretending to be experts🙁
Seriously👎
How long I've been collecting watches?
So this is where we get to see who can "really" p**s the highest up the tree hey?
All I can offer is that I figure I started "getting into watches" around '68-'69. But didn't really consider the possibility of getting into "collecting" thing until around the time these forums started to show up on the interweb.
Back then, it was a more mature discussion, learnings from experienced folk some of whom were seriously big time collectors who happen to be in the right place at the right period of history.
In the interim, i can say I'd had a few really nice Rolex dive watches come and go. Some of which you would probably give an essential piece of anatomy to just handle, let alone own.
Now the scene has become something else altogether👎
I found your logic to be pretty ridiculous, and even more so for your tone. You seem to indicate that I should not have the right to return it, and doing so is harming others.
Here're my responses:
1. Right to return is a well established set of rules that is applicable for all merchandise. You logic can be applied to any goods we purchase at any store. Do you question yourself before you return things to Costco/Amazon?
2. At my particular AD, the return policy is that within 5 days, if no surface damage and subject to inspection/evaluation, the watch can be returned or exchanged. This policy is written on the invoice, and I'm following the rules.
3. I have not worn the watch. Case back stick is not removed. The watch has been sitting in the pouch offered by the AD with a divider separating the case back and bracelet. And I return it the 2nd day after purchase. The AD offered the exchange exactly because of that: there's no sign of usage.
4. I am curious about how they handle returned watches. As a matter of fact, that is my suspicion that I may have got one of that. How do you know the one I purchased at first is not one that's returned by others? And if so do I have the right to return it?
5. I trust that AD and Omega has set rules and processes to handle returned goods and what standard they need to follow to sell it as new or used. This is not a concern that the customer should burden.
6. People's perspectives and tolerance are different. I may not like this particular aspect, but others may be totally ok with it or even prefer it.
7. Ultimately, it is Omega's manufacturing process that created this variance, that some customer may not like it. Why in your twisted logic it's ok for Omega to sell things that appear to have a loose standard, but not ok for customer to notice it?
8. All watches in display at any AD are subject to inspection/handling by potential customers. My AD allowed me to put it on the wrist, and removed the plastic wrap so that I can feel how sharp the case is. If you are saying you are only happy to buy a watch that has never been touched by anybody else, man, you are in worse OCD than I am.
D DuckieMan, i really think you need to go and get yourself the most perfect type of watch and of a brand that truly meets your standards.
One that suits you right down to the ground👍
An FPJ perhaps😉
Just don't complain when you see another which is not quite like the one you own. LOL.
Such a pity that this long of a collection “career”, together with being close to your “mature” and “big time” collector, failed to teach you how to respect different opinions, or to speak with the slightest class.
“I own pieces you dream to touch”... lol. And this give you the loudest voice, and makes you feel righteous to play god and call others rubbish?
D DuckieSorry mate.
But you're nuts.
Next time, try not to skew the context of what someone has put to you by missquoting them.
Whether it be deliberate or through incompetency.
D DuckieIt's all rubbish.
If there's variation between the offerings from new and there's variation between them when properly cared for and serviced.
Who would know if a particular example was touched up to factory specs unless they had to take a heavy hand to it in order to clean it up enough to pass some kind of muster.
And with all these wannabes looking at macro pics of variations in new watches pretending to be experts🙁
Seriously👎
How long I've been collecting watches?
So this is where we get to see who can "really" p**s the highest up the tree hey?
All I can offer is that I figure I started "getting into watches" around '68-'69. But didn't really consider the possibility of getting into "collecting" thing until around the time these forums started to show up on the interweb.
Back then, it was a more mature discussion, learnings from experienced folk some of whom were seriously big time collectors who happen to be in the right place at the right period of history.
In the interim, i can say I'd had a few really nice Rolex dive watches come and go. Some of which you would probably give an essential piece of anatomy to just handle, let alone own.
Now the scene has become something else altogether👎
Modern manufacturing allows for very narrow tolerances. These are machine made and not hand finished. So yes, such a huge variation is very surprising and interesting, especially for folks who are engineers or into engineering/manufacturing. I don't think anyone who is interested in this topic is "pretending to be experts". Not sure why this thread has attracted some ugliness. No one is forcing anyone to read or comment. There is absolutely no reason to insult anyone.
D DuckieSpeaking as someone who has had more than a bit of an interest with a very hands on approach to manufacturing and engineering.
If one deems Omega to make an inferior product due to their personal perceptions around quality control or manufacturing tolerances, or to resale value.
Then I would suggest one ought to look to other brands in their pursuit of the ultimate customer satisfaction experience👍
