New guy from Toronto looking for vintage watch

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Still looking for the right watch.

I came across this one being sold by a dealer in Canada, which would be rather convenient for me.

I would strongly recommend not dealing with this particular dealer...
 
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Still looking for the right watch.

I came across this one being sold by a dealer in Canada, which would be rather convenient for me. The thing that seems odd is that the dial is signed Tudor and yet the movement is signed Solar. From previous posts in this discussion I learned that Solar are Eaton's house branded Tudor watches. So I am a bit puzzled why they don't correspond.

Obviously the watch has seen some water damage, so parts of the auto-winding may have been replaced at some point, with whatever parts were available. One can't always reconstruct the history, but you can decide whether the name on the rotor matters to you or not. Sometimes it's a matter of price. Of course, this watch has other issues.

I will say that I greatly prefer the aesthetics of this dial, with mixed numbers and triangular markers, compared to some of the all-arabic dials that were posted previously. There is a reason that 3-6-9-12 dials are so popular.
 
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In answer to your question, the hands and dial look quite nice but but the photo is terrible resolution, so you would need better pics to confirm it is original. As stated above, the case is a mess and I suspect that in person, it will look even worse as any brass showing through after the severe wear and polishing will stand out like a sore thumb. The yellow gold, mismatched crown stands out, as does the rough bezel.

You are into the era of newer ETA Tudor movements and there are parts available for these, as everyone and their brother used them back in the day. Do a Google search of ETA 2472 and you will find page upon page of links to information. There are lots of old stock parts around as well as scads of old donor watch movements. The major brands engraved their names on the rotor, so the original would have had Tudor on the rotor. The Solar branded rotor indicates that a worn rotor was robbed from a Solar watch to fix this one, or just as probable, the entire movement from the Solar was transferred to this Tudor.

You have a bit of a dilemma with your search, as some of your objectives will be in opposition. You like autowind and dial designs of the 1950's which creates parts availability challenges. Autowind was not nearly as common then, but manual wind movements were the norm and they were very robust. If you look at Omega, and Longines there are plenty still around. By the 1960's when the autowinds took hold, most watches had simple designs with no numbers on the face. The early 60's to mid 70's were a golden era in Swiss watch making and these movements are very serviceable by independant watch makers today. If I was going to buy only one watch for everyday use, for the 1940's and 50's, it would be a manual wind and most likely a sub-second movement to give me the best longevity and serviceability. For the 1960's and 1970's, autowind with centre seconds is great. If I was going to wear it to work, where it was subjected to abuse, it would be stainless steel and a glass or sapphire crystal. That takes me from the 1970's through to the 90's but I used to be a mechanic and the crystal takes a real beating. On older watches, everything that touches acrylic leaves a mark, so the crystal will need regular polishing or replacement if the abuse is severe.

In the end, it is up to you and how long you want it to last.
I looked up the 2472 movement last night and read that it is a date movement, so there is something weird going on here. I noticed the mismatched crown as well, but then saw more than one example of that from other images. I've learned enough to start spotting these things which is great. Thanks for all the help.
 
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Glad to hear you are getting the hang of it. I don’t know a lot about the 2472 movement but it is possible that Tudor modified it to offer a non-date version. The later 2824 and 2892 are by far the most common. Kind of the small block Chevy of the watch making world. Here is a couple of links to threads that make reference to non-date versions.

https://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=1960089&rid=0

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=123734

If your are looking up general info on movements, Ranfft is a good go to site. You may have found it already.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&ETA_2472
 
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Glad to hear you are getting the hang of it. I don’t know a lot about the 2472 movement but it is possible that Tudor modified it to offer a non-date version. The later 2824 and 2892 are by far the most common. Kind of the small block Chevy of the watch making world. Here is a couple of links to threads that make reference to non-date versions.

https://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=1960089&rid=0

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=123734

If your are looking up general info on movements, Ranfft is a good go to site. You may have found it already.

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&ETA_2472
The rotor is a different shape compared with the 2472 pictures online, so I can't be sure what it is. I did come across the Ranfft site last night.
 
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Hi Derek,
Just wanted to share an idea. Take a look at the Aquastar Genève from the 70's, sailing version (Regate)
I posted a picture of mine here: https://omegaforums.net/threads/wruw-today.567/page-7266#post-1494272
I will send it soon to the watchmaker for a cleanup. I don't know if it will be waterproof after the service.
Maybe you can find a similar one, I have seen some in the 2k range.
Good luck finding the right watch for you!
 
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Still out there hunting. I came across this one tonight that looks decent: https://www.chrono24.ca/tudor/automatique-bumper--id17199221.htm

The caseback has seen some abuse - almost looks like there is a hole in it or at least severe dent. There's a ding on the back of one of the lugs as well. Otherwise the dial looks to be in relatively good condition. The crystal also seems to have a few scratches. I'd certainly offer under the asking price based on the overall fair condition.

Anything else stand out on this one? Thanks in advance!
 
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I actually think that there is a hole in that caseback, although the seller is trying to hide it in the photo of the inside of the case-back. That's not something you see every day.
 
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You should start to look beyond chrono24. This is a bigger ladies size. They wear very small....you will have no joy with that movement. No parts. But if Tudor is of interest, don't ask the vintage omega forum. Join the vintage Tudor Forum. And the certina, eterna, Longines and whatever Fora come up in your dial configuration search. These guys know technical things beyond your desired dial configuration. Good luck.
 
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You should start to look beyond chrono24. This is a bigger ladies size. They wear very small....you will have no joy with that movement. No parts. But if Tudor is of interest, don't ask the vintage omega forum. Join the vintage Tudor Forum. And the certina, eterna, Longines and whatever Fora come up in your dial configuration search. These guys know technical things beyond your desired dial configuration. Good luck.
Vintage Tudor forum here or on Rolex forums? I'm on Rolex forums too. I've just had lots of friendly and helpful exchanges on here which is why I asked.
 
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Given that it's gold-filled and 34mm, it had better be negotiable. By a lot.
It is indeed. It would also need service which would add a bit.
 
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Came across a couple of new watches that have the look and features that I have been after:

https://www.stowa.de/en/Partitio/
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And from Longines: https://www.longines.com/en-us/watch-heritage-l2-833-4-93-2

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Either one seems to fulfill the characteristics that I have been looking for. The Longines has a little bit of faux-patina on the dial which I am kind of iffy about. The Stowa is less than half the price yet seems to get very enthusiastic reviews from wearers. Neither has particularly high water resistance, although that hasn't even been a thought in my search so far.

I suppose my thinking is that either watch gets me something that I can wear now, won't need to worry about service for some time, is a more modern size at 37 and 38.5mm, and more reliable movement. I can continue to search for vintage watches that I like and in the meantime enjoy this one.
 
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The Stowa Partitio in black is on it’s way from Germany!

Thank you to everyone who has commented along the way.
 
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This is an excellent choice that gives you the best of both worlds. Congratulations!
 
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My Stowa is due to arrive on Friday this week which is exciting.

In the meantime, I have been looking at a Longines Admiral 1200 on Ebay for $450. It’s a front loading type which probably has no bearing on anything other than maintenance. I like the raised numerals quite a bit on this one. One sold on Reddit for $350 obo in the last year so that price might be a bit high.

I bid on an Omega 2316-1 with a 30T2 movement that looked nice in spite of the redial. Missed it on Ebay by $60. It is 37.5mm diameter and had a full Arabic numeral dial. This movement seems to have been used in the 6B military watches as well. I’m kind of interested in getting a manual wind watch now to complement the Stowa and this reference seems like a really nice one.
 
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We look forward to pictures when the Stowa arrives. Enjoy the hunt for an affordable vintage piece. I think a 30T2 would compliment it nicely.
 
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New watch arrived!!!



It arrived yesterday from Germany in a briefcase sized box.

It is completely gorgeous and entrancing to watch the second hand slowly sweep around the dial. The minute hand very slowly travels from one tick to the next which is also interesting to see as it progresses. I suppose I expected the minute hand to jump from one mark to the next, but I am brand new to the mechanical watch game.

The instructions were rather succinct and perhaps some more experienced folks could help - do I wind it by turning it clockwise with the crown in? It is an ETA 2824-2. It arrived running in the box, I wore it midday onward and then it had stopped overnight.

I am going to make up a vegetable tanned leather strap for it. I made a belt last year as a gift and I think it will be fun to make a strap. Stowa included an extra tang buckle so that it will match which I appreciate. The leather starts out a light tan colour and gradually turns a beautiful rich brown after exposure to the environment and oil from the skin. I have to get a spring bar tool and some spring bars to make that happen. The black strap is fine, however I think the evolving brown will be even nicer.

I'm still keeping my eye on Ebay for an Omega 30T2 watch. Certainly no rush to get my hands on one now, but it has been fun to browse. There are 37mm sizes available which is the same as the Partitio and I think the size is perfect on my wrist.