Need help on this Connie, OF!

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Hi OF!
I am looking at purchasing this Connie. It is in a very used condition, which I don't mind - it will be an almost daily watch for me. I realize that high resolution pictures are needed, however the owner is an older gentleman, so I doubt it is an option. It is my impression that he does not really know what he is selling. He has been told it is a cal. 561 1962, however I am having a hard time matching the two-line dial, crosshair, gold capped etc with cal. 561.

My notes:
Two-line dial
Arrowhead dial
Oil-spot between 4 and 5
Gold capped, dog legs case?
Cross-hair dial
Original crown

Although I don't mind the vintage used look, I would prefer originality. So OF, please help me. A valuation is also very welcomed. Thank you!

 
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It’s most likely a 14902. Quite uncommon to see them with arrowhead markers but they do exist.
 
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It’s most likely a 14902. Quite uncommon to see them with arrowhead markers but they do exist.

Thank you very much! Any idea on the value of the watch? These pictures are somewhat unfair - it does not look this worn in real life.

Others who will share their opinion on the matter?
 
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Thank you very much! Any idea on the value of the watch?
A difficult one to answer and you are going to get differing opinions. For me the condition isn’t quite there so it doesn’t really pique my interest. Therefore I am going low and will say £750 ....... probably get flamed now!

You also need to see the condition of the movement.
 
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A difficult one to answer and you are going to get differing opinions. For me the condition isn’t quite there so it doesn’t really pique my interest. Therefore I am going low and will say £750 ....... probably get flamed now!

You also need to see the condition of the movement.

Interesting...

I would love to share at what price it is being offered to me, but I would like additional opinions/valuations on the watch first.

I am not sure that I am able to see the movement before purchase due to COVID-19. However, I trust that I will be able to return it or cut a deal with the owner should the movement be in bad condition.
 
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Interesting...

I would love to share at what price it is being offered to me, but I would like additional opinions/valuations on the watch first.

I am not sure that I am able to see the movement before purchase due to COVID-19. However, I trust that I will be able to return it or cut a deal with the owner should the movement be in bad condition.



Assumptions and trust coming second in transactions are always a bad idea. Especially ones not face to face.



Appears a very worn case and very degraded across the dial. Better pix and very up close ones at that, before I can decide if a redial or not.
 
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Case (almost certainly 14902): gold-on-steel, polished, scratched = 5/10. Some of the flaws might be just the pix or schmutz, which would come off with a cloth, bringing it up to 6/10.
Furniture: Looks original, consistent wear all around. As another poster said, uncommon to see arrowhead indices in a pie-pan, dog-leg lugged dial. They were more commonly found on the older, domed dials, so this is a bit of a "transitional piece." 7/10
Dial: Here's the problem. Unattractive, inconsistent degradation. It's beyond patina at this point. 4/10.
Crown: Appropriate for this period and model

Without seeing the movement, hard to judge value. If it's been serviced recently and is clean, you're still looking at a watch that has a sub $1000 value.

There's some lovely Connies on sale in the Private Watch sale forums, all fairly priced and some quite affordable. If you're keen on a Connie, I would highly recommend any one of those over this one. Just my £.02.
 
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It's all been said but I'll re-emphasise it anyway.

Uncommon dial in a dogleg case. (agree it's likely a 14902)
Very soft lugs.
Very polished medallion.
Degraded dial.

A mint, gold cap, pie-pan, dogleg, might fetch £1500 on a good day
The arrowhead dial, while interesting, doesn't actually add much value since it shouldn't be in a dogleg case, as they belonged to the lyre-lugged era ( a collector might pay a premium to have one in a larger collection.)

So, soft case, damaged dial, all in all I'd also say well sub-$1000.

Are you going to tell us what it's been offered for now?
 
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I think this watch is a perfect example of a vintage watch that is worth a fair bit less to a collector than to a non-collector. Had the dial been better it would have been a very different story, but if a premium is to justified, the base condition has to be there - here the most important parts are sadly quite worn.

I agree with the above evaluations, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up $200-300 more expensive in an open eBay auction.
 
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I've been following this thread with interest.

OP, all the experts have already given you the hard facts and arguments. I'm not in the position to add anything further in that regard, but perhaps a soft argument that may help you in your decision making.

I'm also recent joiner to the Omega vintage afficionados, I do not dare calling myself a collector yet. But recently new to the field I can totally understand the urge and impatience (no judging implied) to finally call the first Connie your own, I went through the same thing. And even if I am more forgiving in terms of conditions than many in the forum, your example is really too worn and overpolished IMHO. Even priced accordingly, I'm afraid you'll dislike the looks of it once you get to see better examples down the road. My suggestion is to wait and even pay a premium for condition (which you will soon forget), but have a more enjoyable piece.

As other members have suggested check the private sales forum here. Connies pop up fairly often (arrow heads less so) at fair prices. I was lucky to find my first only after two months or so, but would have been prepared to wait for longer.
 
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Thank you guys for all the replies - your thoughts are much appreciated.

For some reason I stopped receiving email notifications on my thread, thus I did not see your posts until now. Some may say unfortunately, but in this case I am totally fine with my purchase (yes, I bought it). The thing is, when the right Connie comes along I will have no trouble buying it - this purchase changes nothing in that regard but gains me some experience.

Firstly I owe you some better pictures because although the magnitude of wear on the medallion is quite clear, I do not think that the pictures do the dial justice. Secondly, I have been keeping you waiting on the price long enough - I paid the equivalent of USD 1000. Considering that prices on the European market is generally higher due to VAT, I have not completely screwed myself over - lets call it 'funny money'.

I will find a moment for some pictures and I will check back in.
Thanks again!