NEED HELP , 145.012 ultraman

Not sure cause I saw one on chrono 24 selling for premium but the serial does not land during that 3000 and the extract did not mention “special fitted with orange chrono hand”.

Not sure, but I have never seen 145.012 hands' lume so perfectly yellow, and matching the dial lume. But I'm not an expert, maybe it looks good to @Spacefruit ?

Usually I found most original hands to be a bit darker than dial lume, so it would at least make me extra cautious about the rest (seeing how it matches with the ultra bright dial lume)

It looks very nice, but I couldn’t justify a 20-30k premium for a orange hand.

I would buy the best -67 that money can buy at this price point.

I came to the same conclusion. it seems to me very unlikely that they keep in their archives which kind of hands are fitted on a certain model. Sorry but without some additional information I don't see the value in the extra hand. I just need some more proof like a picture from their archives with these information stated on its to belief it.

Also I can't really find the dial very different in colour of a regular 145.012-67 and the ulltraman. Is there a pictures somewhere with 5 ultramans on a table opposite to 5 regular 145.012-67?






"AND WHAT ABOUT THE DIALS?

OMEGA Museum’s team has recently noted that the dial (at least of 3 examples observed) of the Ultraman was different than those of the standard ST 145.012s. So we had a more careful look at our own Ultraman… and indeed the dial is different in color and finish: the Ultraman’s dial is pure black and has a satin varnish, while it is dark grey (anthracite) and the varnish is matte on standard ST 145.012s. A similar satin finish has already been observed on rare blue-grey dials of the same period."

from https://www.watchbooksonly.com/articles/watch-reviews/omega-speedmaster-ultraman/


But of course there are always people who pay the extra price.

Below is the best photo I have of the Ultraman and its shiny dial, in person it stands out really well and looks very Pie Pan like, I have not seen this in any of the regular 67 Speedmasters I have owned to date.
Lots of misconceptions going around about these and the numbers in existence, watch books only has only 45 listed at the moment and I know they update that every so often. (Sure the number was higher not long ago)
These seem to come out of the woodwork every once in a while and appear for auction too, I wonder if these are the watches listed on WBO or new examples?
Even if the total number produced was 500 would it make much difference?
The thing that pisses people off about the Ultraman is that dealers selling them in the past have stated “50 examples produced” and it looks like there might be a little more than this number, Omega did not state that number, only dealers did who wanted to make as much money as they could or were misinformed on the grapevine, but if the number was 500 proven by Omega it would still be a scarce and desirable watch wouldn’t it?
So it’s the dealer BS from the past that gets up people’s noses IMO, not the watch itself.
One thing for sure, It would be very hard to fake one of these watches because for me if it doesn’t fit into the serial range, have the right hand, satin black dial and archive I wouldn’t buy it.


So for me...
Has to be in the 2607XXXX range.
Has to have correct length/width hand. (Only goes to the edge of the second markers, not over)
Has to have satin black dial.
Has to have an extract.

How many around? Who knows? But if it was 500 would collectors be that fussed then?

Im not paying a premium for ....... a orange hand! a damaged brown dial, a bit of red paint (double/single red), a spider dial, a ghost/green/blue bezel, a inverted 6, a Patrizzi, a cream dial etc, etc, I hear this all the time but many people will and do 👍
If you see a Ultraman in person I think it is a very special watch, to me it looks like a different watch to a standard 67 on the wrist, with its orange/red hand and shiny dial it looks fantastic which doesn’t always come across in flat photos.
Cheers, Michael

Unfortunately it is not possible to tell from the auction photo alone whether the dial is matte or satin. It is overexposed, out of focus, and the color balance is wrong

It could very well be satin with bad photos.

I won't be bidding at this point, but I think someone might end up with a good deal on what might turn out to be an "Ultraman" that at least checks off the 4 main criteria.

In 1 weeks time, I have a feeling someone will be posting a photo here of the watch in hand and we will all be surprised at how much better and different it looks in person and the regrets will overwhelm many of us.

And one more thought here...

I guess it would either be worth somewhere around $9k or $35k depending on the outcome.
If you go with 50/50 odds of it either being a legitimate example or not, we'd get an expected auction value of about $22k.

If it ends for less than $22k, it might be a good deal... more and it might not be..

But a UM expert who has done their research and or has more information from the seller (better photos, etc) might be at an extreme advantage.

That is why I must sit this one out.

I agree with you ,my heart wants it but my brain says no. tbh everything seems to check the list (maybe beside dial) . But what stop me is that the seller seems to be selling a lot of omega’s he must know what the watch is worth , and not getting a extract from archive (although discussion above no matter if it actually proves authenticity or not , I’d say 90% of people are willing to pay more if there is a archive) seems like kissing goodbye to a few extra bucks. Just seems wrong for a experienced watch dealer to do.

why not get the archive and earn that extra cash? This is what bothers me personally anyway.

I guess I was spot on with my assessment of $22k 😀

Maybe potential buyers who saw this thread entered a max bid around there - but likely the seller had a much higher “reserve”, especially if they believed it to be real and wanted to make sure it didn’t sell for anything below “a big number”.

Unless you were confident in it being legitimate, it’s simply too risky.

With the eBay “authenticity” guarantee, you can no longer open cases for “not as described”. Or at least not to my knowledge. It is much more tricky either way to make returns.

If the OP was the seller or related to the seller and they found their way here, they probably had some idea of the potential value anyway. But I agree with what you said.

Probably because many here had already noticed this auction and were wondering the same things about it 😉

Per T&C of Authenticity Guarantee:


Can I return items purchased with Authenticity Guarantee?

Buyers can return an item if the Seller accepts returns, as stated in the listing, and the return takes place within the Seller’s return window. If the Seller does not accept returns or the return is submitted outside the return window, this will be considered final sale and cannot be returned.

What is Final Sale?

eBay’s Authenticity Guarantee thoroughly  checks  the item so  what you receive is exactly what you ordered.   If a seller does not accept returns or the return is submitted outside the return window, the item is considered final sale and cannot be returned.


So in summary, if it passes the inspection, you are completely screwed for a return. Final sale.
You’d have to try the credit card route.
Either way, not a position I’d want to be in.