n00b alert: FedEx International and the dreaded Watch Worksheet- A story

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I have my own FedEx account and sometimes make my own shipping arrangements rather than the seller. I have a pre-made customs declaration with FedEx and I use their pro-forma invoices. I set up the shipment online and then email the seller PDFs of the documents. Easy.

I also use ParcelPro for insurance for valuable packages. I list very low values for the items with FedEx but insure the full amount with ParcelPro. Any time there is a high declared value item, it will attract attention.

Big mistake. Ask PP what they think about this plan.
BTW- the beauty of using Parcel Pro is that the "high declared value" is not displayed to the Fedex driver or staff...so your theory is not accurate.

Insure and declare for the same value or you will regret it one day. They only exception is repairs and thats a completely different set of forms.
 
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Hi there, seller/shipper of the watch ...

I am surprised (and had no idea) on the FedEx internal form. I have shipped watches FedEx before to the US and this issue has not come up. The local FedEx drone - imho - could not care less for that stuff (hey, thats more work, right?)... she even tried to incentive me on lowering the declared value (are you sure you want to put such a high value on the package? in the person in the US might have to pay import duties ...) ... yes I was pretty sure, b/c I was stung before ... ;o)

I just moved over from sending watches EMS as a package of $1.3k got lost ... after 3 months of haggling I got something like 15% of that back (they have value caps based on weight, just like airlines have on lost luggage). So, I lost a watch and about $1k right there ... shipping EMS.

thats the reason I ship FedEx now (even if its 2x the cost for me compared to EMS). The package is insured to the declared value - and since it does not go through the local postal system (I'm in LatAm) the chances of stuff getting "lost" are lower.

So ... Sorry for Tbone (OP) - it seem that you kind of got rubber-bulleted from behind ... 😗 ... 😁

but than again - happy the watch made it to your door in less than 3 days with all those hickups... 👍


ohhh ... got a couple of good giggles out of your warstory ... ::psy::


cheers, Al
 
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Faz Faz
Maybe you're not just a noob.....of course, this is the favourite activity of all South Americans while at work....::facepalm1::.🤬

btw ... chasing alpacas is hard work ... as they are rarely below 3.000m / 10k ft altitude...

that is the reason I fill my Seamasters with pure oxigen instead of helium ... a good whiff every now and then easily offsets the higher weight of the watch ...👍

::stirthepot::
 
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If, you've gotten this far in my missive, you're probably thinking WTF!

I have filled this form out so many times I could not count, plus 2 others that are specific to sending repaired watches back to the US via FedEx. It's part of shipping across borders. It's not a big deal by any means, and it is simply helping FedEx act as your customs broker. If you want to avoid this in the future, you can contract your own customs broker, but if you think that will be easier or cheaper than having FedEx do it for you, you would be mistaken. Fees from FedEx are minimal compared to contracting a broker yourself, or with many other shipping companies.

As Andy mentioned, it's up to the importer of an item to know the rules associated with importing that item. It doesn't sound fair that someone who is just a collector should have to know this stuff, but the government doesn't agree.

Good to let others know that they should be asking the sender to fill out the forms, and I agree completely with Tony C that you should keep an extra copy in pdf form that you can email to FedEx in case the copy you send gets lost. I actually send 2 copies of all 3 forms I have to fill out for each watch with the shipment, and since doing that I rarely get asked to send another.

Cheers, Al
 
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Hi there, seller/shipper of the watch ...

I am surprised (and had no idea) on the FedEx internal form. I have shipped watches FedEx before to the US and this issue has not come up.

Some advise:
Fedex specifically exempts watches from insurance...so if you ship a $10,000 watch via FedEx and insure it thru Fedex...and it is then lost or damaged your claim will likely be denied despite paying the insurance premium. This is why most collectors use Parcel Pro or similar services.
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One other point to clarify...this form is purely a courtesy form offered by Fedex. Its not required.
Nor is it the responsibility of the shipper. If you want to use the form, use it...if not tell them you don't want to (no idea why you wouldn't want to though). Regardless this form is purely the responsibility of the person receiving the watch in the US. Its not the shippers responsibility or obligation. If the shippers does this for you, then he is going above and beyond and should be thanked...but to expect him/her to do it is a big mistake.
 
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Wow- I didn't know this topic would be so popular. Super pumped on all the best practices being provided by all the veterans. Fantastic!

Let me say for the record, that this story was written with a fair amount of hyperbole and artistic license. It was intended to be "tongue and cheek" as they say. When I say things like "incredibly annoying document," it's alluding to my state of mind versus the complexity of the worksheet. The document is incredibly easy to complete. There's nothing to it. Really. Any 12 year old could have it done in a shot. The key is knowing what information to put into it! I didn't and as @al128 mentioned (thanks for chiming in Al) the good people at FedEx, didn't tell him either..hell they didn't even mention the document in the first place. AND apparently suggested he commit fraud? That's interesting.

This whole process is quite easy and none of this is really that surprising. FedEx rarely screws up. We didn't follow the correct process, and as a result, the machine didn't operate smoothly. No biggie, but a lesson learned and based on all this new info on shipping; I'll not have any material for future shipping related stories!

Thanks for all the input guys. Incredibly helpful. I hope some of you got a chuckle out of the story, as well.
Oh...another thing. I never intended to denigrate the good people of So Amer. I love siesta's, and Alpacas are lovely animals!

Have a great weekend!

T-Bone
 
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Some advise:
Fedex specifically exempts watches from insurance...so if you ship a $10,000 watch via FedEx and insure it thru Fedex...and it is then lost or damaged your claim will likely be denied despite paying the insurance premium. This is why most collectors use Parcel Pro or similar services.


Wow- That is enlightening. Very good to know.
 
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Just my experience with FedEx.
I'm in the UK and a buyer in the USA insisted I shipped with FedEx.
So I took the package to the FedEx office, paid the £80 which included insurance.
Three days after the watch should have been delivered, I got a call saying I hadn't provided a commercial invoice so I had to go to the FedEx office to fill the invoice form in .
A day later, I got another call saying the watch was stuck in Phoenix and couldn't be delivered because there was no watch worksheet.
So another trip to the FedEx office to fill in the form.
A week later the buyer gets his watch. Then I find out FedEx insurance excludes watches and jewellery.
FedEx sucks.
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Some advise:
Fedex specifically exempts watches from insurance...so if you ship a $10,000 watch via FedEx and insure it thru Fedex...and it is then lost or damaged your claim will likely be denied despite paying the insurance premium. This is why most collectors use Parcel Pro or similar services.

😒 🤬 ... Sneaky fuggers

Taking your money but not standing behind it... 🤮
 
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I didn't read your entire story- gave up in the first paragraph....but why are you insisting the seller fill out the form?
I have always filled out the form myself, and never had a single issue.

I fill it out as sop with every watch I buy...then follow up with Fedex to verify it was received. If you don't fill it out you will pay a much larger duty. The form is simple...I generally use numbers below as a guideline...but adjust for each watch.
The key is that the movement is the bulk of the value...if you don't fill out the form they automatically apply the value to the case which results in a duty of 4.8% on the total value.

Rough guideline:
80% Movement

15% Case

5% Strap

They only want the values assigned to these three components...and the 80% valuation should be fairly accurate for most watches since they aren't asking for dial, hand, bezels, etc. I assume by "movement" they mean the movement and all associated parts (dial, hands, crown, bezel) since none of these are part of the case or strap.




It takes all of 2 minutes to fill out the form...the real question is why wouldn't you fill out the form?


@CajunTiger - Keep in mind I didn't know a "Watch Worksheet" existed or that it had to be completed. This whole story is from the n00b point of view. Now that I've been through it, it obviously won't happen again. Everything you stated regarding values is spot on. I just didn't know it and neither did the shipper and there weren't any "instructions" attached to the sheet. Thanks for all the enlightening information regarding FedEx and insuring watches. I'm sure that was news to some people!
 
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I'm just wondering: would the insurance also exclude "watch parts"?

As sometimes the limits are rather fuzzy -> "watch for parts" ...

Any thoughts?
 
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Hello,

This has been my experience based on buying a fair number of watches from overseas. One of the big issues is that the needs for the seller country are different than the recipient. The seller generally only cares about relief from the VAT. This is why they just put down “watch” on the export form and total cost which is insufficient.

Here in the US, imports are assessed by the harmonized code and usually this information is not available when the seller ships the watch. By the time this becomes an issue for the recipient, the watch is either on its way to the US or already here.
The harmonized codes help with the watch valuation. For watches, they start with a harmonized code of 9101.XX,XXX .
91
CLOCKS AND WATCHES AND PARTS THEREOF
9101

Wrist-watches, pocket-watches, stop-watches and other watches; with case of precious metal or of metal clad with precious metal
9102
Wrist-watches, pocket-watches, stop-watches and other watches, other than those of heading no. 9101
9103
Clocks; with watch movements, excluding clocks of heading no. 9104
9104
Instrument panel clocks and clocks of a similar type for vehicles, aircraft, spacecraft or vessels
9105
Clocks, other, n.e.c.
9106
Time of day recording apparatus and apparatus for measuring, recording or otherwise indicating intervals of time, with clock, watch movement or synchronous motor
9107
Time switches; with clock, watch movement or synchronous motor
9108
Watch movements; complete and assembled
9109
Clock movements; complete and assembled
9110
Watch or clock movements, complete, unassembled or partly assembled (movement sets); incomplete watch or clock movements, assembled; rough watch or clock movements
9111
Watch cases and parts thereof
9112
Clock cases and cases of a similar type for other goods of this chapter and parts thereof
9113
Watch straps, watch bands, watch bracelets and parts thereof
9114
Clock or watch parts; n.e.c. in chapter 91

From there, watches are generally watches are broken down into components:
  1. Movement ( code 9108)
  2. Case ( code 9111)
  3. Bracelet/strap (code 9113)
The sum of each of these components must equal the total cost of the watch on the invoice. This is where the fun starts. For mechanical watches, the movement is accessed by the number of jewel and charged at a rate per jewel regardless of the cost of the watch. The case and band are charged at a percentage of the declared value. I have had very valuable steel watches and paid a lot less in customs than a gold cased Patek--both from Europe. Why? Because I declared most of the value in the steel watches was in the movement.

Going back to FedEx…FedEx is not customs. I believe they have authority to collect customs fees for the US so that the package is not delayed. From my understanding, they prepay the customs for you and of course bill you later. If there is paperwork missing, I have been able to send prefilled out documents to the seller and ask them to sign and return to me and I forward on to FedEx.

One more thing to add. If you live in California, you may get charged with a use tax based. Here is the paragraph from the board of equalization.

Generally, if sales tax would apply when you buy physical merchandise in California, use tax applies when you make a similar purchase without tax from a business located outside the state.
For these purchases, the buyer is required to pay use tax separately
.

They expect you to declare this on your income tax form. It seems that FedEx provides this shipping information to the state of California for packages that have a destination of that state. From there, it is easy for the state to determine who you are by your SSN and you will get a friendly letter that you owe the state of California money. By the way customs fees and use tax fees are not the same and unrelated. California looks at the invoice cost and charges you a flat rate.

This has been my experience so take it for what it is worth. If you are buying items from overseas with any frequency, I think it is important to understand how the process works.
Regards, George
 
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I'm just wondering: would the insurance also exclude "watch parts"?

As sometimes the limits are rather fuzzy -> "watch for parts" ...

Any thoughts?

is it worth the risk?...Parcel Pro is far cheaper anyway.
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FROM FEDEX:
Tips for Shipping Your Jewelry
Here are a few guidelines to help you ship valuables such as fine jewelry, gemstones and watches.
It’s important to understand the coverage that FedEx makes available to you, so you can supplement it when necessary.

When it comes to jewelry shipments, the maximum declared value is limited to $1,000. If you need to ship jewelry for a special occasion or for a repair, please contact your insurance provider to make sure your jewelry is covered. Declared value is not insurance, and FedEx does not sell insurance.

If you ship jewelry on a regular basis, FedEx offers FedEx Declared Value Exception service. This contract-only service enables eligible shippers to declare a value up to $50,000 on jewelry items. It is not available for one-time jewelry shipments.

Learn more
For additional program details and eligibility, please go to Our Services at fedex.com for information on special handling services.
 
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Importer should just fill it out because the time you are waiting on the shipper to do it usually requires a headache so u didnt take 30 seconds out of your day to complete and return the form which usually clears the exception the same or next day? Having spent the huge amount of frustration and headache could have been avoided with a few minutes of your time. I complete these sheets dozens of times a month without a hiccup and overall process is a breeze... just saying...
 
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how do you guys deal with the fact that Fedex wants the watch-sheet outside of the parcel but I don't want the chain of low-wage delivery guys to know that there is a 5k watch inside the parcel?
 
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What makes you think Fedex delivery guys are low wage? In the USA they and UPS do well.

You also have the shipper's docs attached to the outside of the package and these list the parcel contents and value.😲
Perhaps you'll be fortunate and the deliverer can't read.
 
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how do you guys deal with the fact that Fedex wants the watch-sheet outside of the parcel but I don't want the chain of low-wage delivery guys to know that there is a 5k watch inside the parcel?

Parcel Pro has users state "Precision Timing Device" or something similar, which is vague enough to discourage pilfering.