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路路Carpe horologium!Wire! 馃槨 Grrrr!
Almost looks like they may have used the same 'wire' to 'jimmy-rig' the jumper..
Almost looks like they may have used the same 'wire' to 'jimmy-rig' the jumper..
My 'most precious' to date has arrived!...then gone again...
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oddboy
路Sorry to hear the news Dougiedude! At least at the end of the day - and even though I'm sure it's very disappointing - it's 'just' a watch. There will be another. And hey, now you're back in the game and that's the fun part, right?
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路路Omega Qualified Watchmaker"Watch runs within Omega timing specs with great amplitude."
Well based on the numbers Doug sent me, this is very much not correct...
Well based on the numbers Doug sent me, this is very much not correct...
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dougiedude
路路Carpe horologium!
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路路Carpe horologium!Wow. Just WOW. And with all the same false information! Same picture with missing parts in the movement, and he wants even more money!
I guess he's hoping some uneducated, unsuspecting buyer will succumb. This really angers me!
I don't think that it is right that he sell anything on our forum, to be honest, because he's not able to be honest.
I guess he's hoping some uneducated, unsuspecting buyer will succumb. This really angers me!
I don't think that it is right that he sell anything on our forum, to be honest, because he's not able to be honest.
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oddboy
路Can it be reported to ebay?
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gophishin
路sorry to hear about your troubles, Dougie, it's unfortunate that some people operate in such a manner. It sounds like you made the right decision though.
Now, that it's no longer in your possession, I wanted to ask a question that has always confused me about this specific piece; is the rehaut the polished silver? From another thread where I specifically asked about 105.003 rehauts, the responses were in strong agreement that all 003's should be black. In every photo that you and seller posted, the rehaut appears to be silver, but I also don't know if that's the reflection of the hesalite on that portion.
(Hopefully I'm not pressing my luck or pushing guidelines with this next question) For an educational lesson, since I'm also very interested in 003's, what are the red flags on the 'other' Ed White? It may not be the prettiest of dials, but everything else seems to be there? I'm also seeing the silver rehaut on this one, which is why I'm confused - maybe someone can assist me with if that's correct, indicates a redial or replacement crystal, or is simply a reflection?
Now, that it's no longer in your possession, I wanted to ask a question that has always confused me about this specific piece; is the rehaut the polished silver? From another thread where I specifically asked about 105.003 rehauts, the responses were in strong agreement that all 003's should be black. In every photo that you and seller posted, the rehaut appears to be silver, but I also don't know if that's the reflection of the hesalite on that portion.
(Hopefully I'm not pressing my luck or pushing guidelines with this next question) For an educational lesson, since I'm also very interested in 003's, what are the red flags on the 'other' Ed White? It may not be the prettiest of dials, but everything else seems to be there? I'm also seeing the silver rehaut on this one, which is why I'm confused - maybe someone can assist me with if that's correct, indicates a redial or replacement crystal, or is simply a reflection?
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Darlinboy
路路Pratts! Will I B******S!!!Sorry to hear it, but another WILL come to you. [emoji2]
As for the seller.... Phfffffft![emoji91]
As for the wire....!Macgyveresque, but inferior to the original design. [emoji90]
As for the seller.... Phfffffft![emoji91]
As for the wire....!Macgyveresque, but inferior to the original design. [emoji90]
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KRLYUZH
路Guys, guys! Calm down.
There is no conspiracy here. And thanks to George for texting me and inform me of this thread.
First and foremost, I am a watch dealer. If you ever follow my threads on here or any other major forum, you can see I do a decent volume and turn over many watches. I am not a watchmaker. The watch was pictured very clearly, described to best of my knowledge. The missing part or parts wasn't easily identifiable (to me) and no one, not even you, Doug, noticed the part missing in picture or after few days of wearing it.
To address your timekeeping claim, I use a multifunction timegrapher No. 1000. Below are several pictures I just took (2/11/15) of the watch's progress in several different positions (even though I usually just keep it face up, single position, during my description write up). I did not do anything to the watch since it arrived back to me from you, Doug. This is the information I have to go off of and information I can show proof of. I do not know how or what you did to get your results.
I think to call me a liar and promote me to be banned from selling is a little over the top here. I have been in this business for many years. I have been selling Speedmasters for many years. I have more than plenty satisfied customers, many of who are on this forum and have found their beloved watches on this forum through me. Mistakes will happen. I am a human. It is inevitable. Mistakes have happened before, as well.
In these cases, it is all about how these situations are handled, and not how many watches I've sold. You have contacted me about the watch, you negotiated the price down, you asked to pay PayPal and I agreed to eat the fees, I even took the watch with me on business trip to be able to ship from another city, instead of making you wait until I got back for shipment. When you called me to address the newly found issue with the watch, I do recall being very cooperative to the situation. I offered you several solutions. Taking the '65 for "premium" of $350 was one option. A further discount to offset the cost of parts needs was option B and finally a full refund. I am not saying that these options were "out of this world"; these options are how this was supposed to and expected to be handled. It is exactly what I did.
So, once again, I apologize that this particular watch didn't work out for you, Doug. I am sorry that it makes you so "wow" mad that you want me banned, but I have never screwed anyone on any deal and always have handled any issues with full cooperation.
This is my side of the story.
Cheers boys, and good luck hunting!
There is no conspiracy here. And thanks to George for texting me and inform me of this thread.
First and foremost, I am a watch dealer. If you ever follow my threads on here or any other major forum, you can see I do a decent volume and turn over many watches. I am not a watchmaker. The watch was pictured very clearly, described to best of my knowledge. The missing part or parts wasn't easily identifiable (to me) and no one, not even you, Doug, noticed the part missing in picture or after few days of wearing it.
To address your timekeeping claim, I use a multifunction timegrapher No. 1000. Below are several pictures I just took (2/11/15) of the watch's progress in several different positions (even though I usually just keep it face up, single position, during my description write up). I did not do anything to the watch since it arrived back to me from you, Doug. This is the information I have to go off of and information I can show proof of. I do not know how or what you did to get your results.
I think to call me a liar and promote me to be banned from selling is a little over the top here. I have been in this business for many years. I have been selling Speedmasters for many years. I have more than plenty satisfied customers, many of who are on this forum and have found their beloved watches on this forum through me. Mistakes will happen. I am a human. It is inevitable. Mistakes have happened before, as well.
In these cases, it is all about how these situations are handled, and not how many watches I've sold. You have contacted me about the watch, you negotiated the price down, you asked to pay PayPal and I agreed to eat the fees, I even took the watch with me on business trip to be able to ship from another city, instead of making you wait until I got back for shipment. When you called me to address the newly found issue with the watch, I do recall being very cooperative to the situation. I offered you several solutions. Taking the '65 for "premium" of $350 was one option. A further discount to offset the cost of parts needs was option B and finally a full refund. I am not saying that these options were "out of this world"; these options are how this was supposed to and expected to be handled. It is exactly what I did.
So, once again, I apologize that this particular watch didn't work out for you, Doug. I am sorry that it makes you so "wow" mad that you want me banned, but I have never screwed anyone on any deal and always have handled any issues with full cooperation.
This is my side of the story.
Cheers boys, and good luck hunting!
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路I find a very honest and profesional reply from the seller and how he solved the problem , !! Well done !!
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dougiedude
路路Carpe horologium!Guys, guys! Calm down.
There is no conspiracy here. And thanks to George for texting me and inform me of this thread.
First and foremost, I am a watch dealer. If you ever follow my threads on here or any other major forum, you can see I do a decent volume and turn over many watches. I am not a watchmaker. The watch was pictured very clearly, described to best of my knowledge. The missing part or parts wasn't easily identifiable (to me) and no one, not even you, Doug, noticed the part missing in picture or after few days of wearing it.
To address your timekeeping claim, I use a multifunction timegrapher No. 1000. Below are several pictures I just took (2/11/15) of the watch's progress in several different positions (even though I usually just keep it face up, single position, during my description write up). I did not do anything to the watch since it arrived back to me from you, Doug. This is the information I have to go off of and information I can show proof of. I do not know how or what you did to get your results.
I think to call me a liar and promote me to be banned from selling is a little over the top here. I have been in this business for many years. I have been selling Speedmasters for many years. I have more than plenty satisfied customers, many of who are on this forum and have found their beloved watches on this forum through me. Mistakes will happen. I am a human. It is inevitable. Mistakes have happened before, as well.
In these cases, it is all about how these situations are handled, and not how many watches I've sold. You have contacted me about the watch, you negotiated the price down, you asked to pay PayPal and I agreed to eat the fees, I even took the watch with me on business trip to be able to ship from another city, instead of making you wait until I got back for shipment. When you called me to address the newly found issue with the watch, I do recall being very cooperative to the situation. I offered you several solutions. Taking the '65 for "premium" of $350 was one option. A further discount to offset the cost of parts needs was option B and finally a full refund. I am not saying that these options were "out of this world"; these options are how this was supposed to and expected to be handled. It is exactly what I did.
So, once again, I apologize that this particular watch didn't work out for you, Doug. I am sorry that it makes you so "wow" mad that you want me banned, but I have never screwed anyone on any deal and always have handled any issues with full cooperation.
This is my side of the story.
Cheers boys, and good luck hunting!
The readings you show in the picture mean nothing unless you've waited 24 hours after a full wind (Omega requirement) and change the lift angle setting to 40 degrees. Maybe you didn't know it, but if you leave the Timegrapher on the default setting (52 degrees), it will give you falsely high amplitudes on the order of about 70-90 degrees. When I tested it over the 3 days I had it, it would only run for 22 hours the first time, and 8 hours the second. Within Omega specs? Certainly not for me. ZERO amplitude after 24 hours on two occasions.
Also, I think you know that there are significant parts missing in the movement, but that's not even mentioned in your ad.
I don't believe you are being forthright in your present ad. I'm not trying to be difficult, or create controversy, I just don't believe your eBay ad is 'honest'.
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路路Omega Qualified WatchmakerIn my view if you are making claims in your sales posts, they should be accurate claims - I don't think anyone would think otherwise. In this case if you are going to use a timing machine to check watches prior to sale, and make claims based upon those checks, I believe it's your responsibility to ensure that you actually know how to use the machine properly.
The balance amplitudes shown are not correct, because instead of having the lift angle set at 40 degrees as it should be for a Cal. 321, you have the machine set to it's default of 52 degrees. A higher lift angle gives a higher balance amplitude reading, and the rule of thumb is that for every 1 degree of lift angle error, it creates 6 degrees of amplitude error. So since your lift angle is out 12 degrees, it overstates the amplitude by 6 X 12, so 72 degrees, which is not insignificant.
You don't have to be a watchmaker, and I don't think anyone said you needed to be. But making claims by using a machine incorrectly is irresponsible and obviously misleading, whether intentional or not. Also to claim that it is running within Omega specs as you have done, you would have to take a second complete set of timing measurements 24 hours after full wind.
I won't even mention the beat error...
You certainly have shown that you don't know enough about the watches to make the claims you are making.
Cheers, Al
The balance amplitudes shown are not correct, because instead of having the lift angle set at 40 degrees as it should be for a Cal. 321, you have the machine set to it's default of 52 degrees. A higher lift angle gives a higher balance amplitude reading, and the rule of thumb is that for every 1 degree of lift angle error, it creates 6 degrees of amplitude error. So since your lift angle is out 12 degrees, it overstates the amplitude by 6 X 12, so 72 degrees, which is not insignificant.
You don't have to be a watchmaker, and I don't think anyone said you needed to be. But making claims by using a machine incorrectly is irresponsible and obviously misleading, whether intentional or not. Also to claim that it is running within Omega specs as you have done, you would have to take a second complete set of timing measurements 24 hours after full wind.
I won't even mention the beat error...
You certainly have shown that you don't know enough about the watches to make the claims you are making.
Cheers, Al
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KRLYUZH
路I simply gave you proof of WHY and HOW I was claiming what I was claiming. I do not disagree that you are correct and I'm not.
I do not care to get into any arguments or technicalities. The listing was taken down on eBay and will be relisted without any kinds of claims.
I still disagree with your attitude towards me, but that's your opinion and this is mine. There are plenty other dealers to work with 馃榾
I just had to tell my side of the story instead of just watching someone trashing me.
Good luck in your search and thanks for chiming in, Al.
I do not care to get into any arguments or technicalities. The listing was taken down on eBay and will be relisted without any kinds of claims.
I still disagree with your attitude towards me, but that's your opinion and this is mine. There are plenty other dealers to work with 馃榾
I just had to tell my side of the story instead of just watching someone trashing me.
Good luck in your search and thanks for chiming in, Al.
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dougiedude
路路Carpe horologium!I simply gave you proof of WHY and HOW I was claiming what I was claiming. I do not disagree that you are correct and I'm not.
I do not care to get into any arguments or technicalities. The listing was taken down on eBay and will be relisted without any kinds of claims.
I still disagree with your attitude towards me, but that's your opinion and this is mine. There are plenty other dealers to work with 馃榾
I just had to tell my side of the story instead of just watching someone trashing me.
Good luck in your search and thanks for chiming in, Al.
As to my continuing search...
I have no doubt I will find a very nice pre-moon, with all present and proper functioning parts...馃榿.
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路路Carpe horologium!I do not care to get into any arguments or technicalities. The listing was taken down on eBay and will be relisted without any kinds of claims....
....thanks for chiming in, Al.
If you are going to edit the listing, the least you could do is mention how the movement is missing vital parts as Al said; ...unless, of course, your 'thanks' to Al above is not truly genuine.. 馃槖
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路路schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorCan not wait to see parts replaced with paperclip in new EBay add 馃嵖
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timeismoney
路So just to point out the issue here with the missing parts, here is what the minute counter jumper parts should look like on a Cal. 321:
There are 4 parts in total for this assembly including a screw, spring, and 2 pieces for the jumper itself. Here in the watch that was returned, these 4 pieces have been replaced with a piece of wire:
Cheers, Al
Thank you, Al. I am grateful for these educational sessions 馃憤
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路路schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorPlease note there is a visible part missing on movement on right side where a "wire" is. Thanks
That is a fair description 馃憤
The watch is guaranteed 100% authentic Omega
99% the wire did not come from Omega ( me just being a smartarse )
That is a fair description 馃憤
The watch is guaranteed 100% authentic Omega
99% the wire did not come from Omega ( me just being a smartarse )
