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My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

COYI
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What is the reference number engraved in the case back ;-))
 
hmmmcamu
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the seconds sweep hand is either from a seamaster 300 or from a 1960's speedmaster , i have seen some 120's were watch makers have used these as a replacement ... minus more details like case ref number inside the case back, photo of the movement it, the watch seem ok
 
JwRosenthal
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Watch look fine to me. Even has the bracelet which Is a big bonus (but I would want to verify size). Asking price at €2.35k isn’t bad actually considering what fake and cobbled ones have been going for. Obviously it will need a service so factor that into the cost as well.

Edit- endlinks aren’t omega factory. They are JB Champion. JBC made the bracelet for Omega, but it should have stamped factory endlinks

Edit-edit, the endlinks are actually totally wrong for the watch and look to have been fashioned to fit the bracelet- so subtract the value of the bracelet from the watch entirely- endlinks are not correct.
 
COYI
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I already saw the photos James but I was trying to give Samuel a hint ;-))
 
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COYI COYI
I already saw the photos James but I was trying to give Samuel a hint ;-))
Sorry- teach a man to fish. I got excited to see a real Seamaster
 
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S Samuel Luisi
You guys are amazing !!!
So you think I can proceed ?
Answer my question first and have a think about why I asked it
 
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COYI COYI
Answer my question first and have a think about why I asked it
Uh-oh…I can barely read is but I think I see what you mean.
 
JwRosenthal
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S Samuel Luisi
You guys are amazing !!!
So you think I can proceed ?
Samuel- hint: Omega references starting with 165 are no date, 166 with date
 
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…. So, is that a dealbreaker ?
And the bezel… I saw them already make insert or replacements for the print
Could that be or is it genuine ?
 
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S Samuel Luisi
Isn’t that reference number the no date ??
165.027
There we go, thanks @COYI for the sharp eyes- I didn’t even catch that in that blurry (intentionally?) photo.

So we have wrong second hand, wrong case back, wrong endlinks….the parts may all be genuine Omega (except endlinks), but this is looking more and more like a cobbled watch
 
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S Samuel Luisi
…. So, is that a dealbreaker ?
And the bezel… I saw them already make insert or replacements for the print
Could that be or is it genuine ?
The factory bezel doesn’t take an insert- it’s a solid anodized piece
 
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S Samuel Luisi
Ok good. Let’s see what the seller responds to this Reference number issue.
For over €2k I would want 100% correct with no questions (well, I would want that at any price). This is looking like a pass
 
COYI
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As well as the incorrect seconds hand, the minute hand doesn't look original either. It could be a service replacement
 
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Yes the lume is too thin on the minute hand. I saw that.
But still, if that bezel is original that is the best kept condition I’ve seen so far.
I will see what he responds. The case back can be changed I guess or you think then the whole case is wrong ?
 
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S Samuel Luisi
Yes the lume is too thin on the minute hand. I saw that.
But still, if that bezel is original that is the best kept condition I’ve seen so far.
I will see what he responds. The case back can be changed I guess or you think then the whole case is wrong ?
Getting that watch back to “normal” will be expensive and take a long time waiting for the parts to show up on the used market. I think best to move on and wait for another.
 
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