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My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

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Wait...is there some discussion taking place here as to the authenticity of my watch? Yes, I have it in hand. I'm not quite sure what exactly is being implied/stated here with regard to my watch. Someone please explain it to me as if I were a 5 yr old.

Before you sluths type something you'll wish you hadn't, you might want to slow down a bit. I have owned this watch for 10 yrs, and I can easily prove it's mine and correct. I know it's fun to start tossing around accusations, but you are way off track here. Now, if somebody used photos of my watch at some point, I can't say. I can say you are on the wrong trail.
I’m not seeing any implication of any wrongdoing or authenticity- just that it looks like same watch that popped up a few years ago. And the debate if the hands had been changed at some point which happens
 
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You know...I bet I posted that photo of my watch way back when so I could come back now and say it's the same watch? Right? I used a Jewish space laser to put the same marks on the watches...all in hopes of duping someone. Even if the hands are not original, I know they've been on for several years and have seen the same hands on several 120s over the years. Hands do get changed in service sometimes.
You have a nice 120, nobody is questioning anything- the hands are alway an issue on these (mine were replaced with white hands at some point and I had to hunt down the correct hands). I think you are assuming we are piling on you but nothing could be further from the reality.
 
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You know...I bet I posted that photo of my watch way back when so I could come back now and say it's the same watch? Right? I used a Jewish space laser to put the same marks on the watches...all in hopes of duping someone. Even if the hands are not original, I know they've been on for several years and have seen the same hands on several 120s over the years. Hands do get changed in service sometimes.

Well, I was just trying to explain what was in question, as per your request. If you want to get all shirty over it, that's fine...

So the answer is that either this is you, or whoever Fordex was, took your photos then, if you have definitely owned this for 10 years?

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You had previously stated you had proof that the watch was correct, but now you are saying that the hands may not be original, so hopefully you have that last detail in your listing.
 
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I've pretty much had my fill of posting, as it turns out. I had no idea potential service hands created so much discussion. I will take my abomination of a watch and go home. Damn.
 
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I've pretty much had my fill of posting, as it turns out. I had no idea potential service hands created so much discussion. I will take my abomination of a watch and go home. Damn.

This place is all about small details - you know that. People here obsess over details like hands all the time.

As much as you want to believe that you are being persecuted, you aren't.
 
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I've pretty much had my fill of posting, as it turns out. I had no idea potential service hands created so much discussion. I will take my abomination of a watch and go home. Damn.
Ok, now we are being a little dramatic. Nothing wrong with your watch. Hands get replaced at service. It seems as though there was a period- probably on the late 70’s-80’s where the correct hands weren’t available for these from Omega. Of course they won’t confirm or deny this, but we have seen several variations of hands over the years that seem to be consistent with “well, these fit” replaced during service. Wrong hands didn’t keep me from buying my watch, but I did account for it in what I paid for it since I planned to find the correct hands (which took me almost a year).
 
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I'm pretty sure the drama was what I found when I logged on an hour ago. Amateur sleuths going apeshit over nothing. And my abomination comment was irony. Pat yourselves on the backs, watchologists. You found me out and saved the forum from a fate worse than....well....service replacement hands. (and I am still not convinced that's true) I'll keep the watch for now...maybe use my Jewish space laser to alter it slightly then try to pass it off as Speedmaster. Can't say it's been fun.
 
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I'm pretty sure the drama was what I found when I logged on an hour ago. Amateur sleuths going apeshit over nothing. And my abomination comment was irony. Pat yourselves on the backs, watchologists. You found me out and saved the forum from a fate worse than....well....service replacement hands. (and I am still not convinced that's true) I'll keep the watch for now...maybe use my Jewish space laser to alter it slightly then try to pass it off as Speedmaster. Can't say it's been fun.

The only one going apeshit here is you mate...
 
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I'm pretty sure the drama was what I found when I logged on an hour ago. Amateur sleuths going apeshit over nothing. And my abomination comment was irony. Pat yourselves on the backs, watchologists. You found me out and saved the forum from a fate worse than....well....service replacement hands. (and I am still not convinced that's true) I'll keep the watch for now...maybe use my Jewish space laser to alter it slightly then try to pass it off as Speedmaster. Can't say it's been fun.

You obviously can't read captions under usernames on this forum. Cheers
 
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I'm pretty sure the drama was what I found when I logged on an hour ago. Amateur sleuths going apeshit over nothing. And my abomination comment was irony. Pat yourselves on the backs, watchologists. You found me out and saved the forum from a fate worse than....well....service replacement hands. (and I am still not convinced that's true) I'll keep the watch for now...maybe use my Jewish space laser to alter it slightly then try to pass it off as Speedmaster. Can't say it's been fun.

Feel however you feel about the discussion, it’s never okay to invoke any reference to anti-Semitism.
 
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Do they wear Speedmasters (with incorrect hands) on the Jewish space laser?
 
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Do they wear Speedmasters (with incorrect hands) on the Jewish space laser?

I prefer my space lasers to be non-denominational, just for the record. 😀

Still wondering if Fordex and keepsonticking are the same person? Or did Fordex steal keepsonticking's photos? Or did keepsonticking misjudge how long he's owned the watch? So many questions, so few answers...
 
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I've gone back over the posts in this thread to try to get some understanding of how things went sideways. I want those of you who think I am unreasonable to consider how this went down: I posted a photo of my watch last night and said I might be selling it soon. I didn't post the ebay listing here, nor did I ever plan to. There were a few members who were interested in the watch. Jump to today when I get home from work and click on that thread only to see this series of HUGE blown up images of my watch...at least it appeared to be my watch. The comments were not so much about hands but about this scratch matching that scratch...and bezel imperfections...and some other seller who posted photos of the watch years ago. What I saw was my watch being hyper scrutinized because it appeared to be the same as another member's watch. I honestly couldn't figure out what was happening. I saw only one comment about the hands. I thought I'd had the watch 10 yrs...maybe it was 5 or 7...and I think it came from chrono24. I honestly thought the hands were original, but I am no expert on this ref.

So to those of you who were reading the posts one at a time as they were posted, it probably didn't seem like anyone was attacking, but to me walking into all those images and discussion of another owner...it looked pretty ugly. I know it's a good watch, and hands are common service items on any vintage. They can be replaced. I'm asking you to see the event from my perspective, as a guy who knew he had done nothing wrong or deceptive. I think there was definitely an undercurrent of "is this guy trying to put something over on us" or "is this the same guy using two names with the same watch"? It definitely looked that way to me. Otherwise, it was all just about whether or not the same watch has been owned by two people. That wouldn't wouldn't seem to require the HUGE photos showing each tiny scratch or nick.

I'm sorry for being defensive. Maybe I'll stop by next April.
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I've gone back over the posts in this thread to try to get some understanding of how things went sideways. I want those of you who think I am unreasonable to consider how this went down: I posted a photo of my watch last night and said I might be selling it soon. I didn't post the ebay listing here, nor did I ever plan to. There were a few members who were interested in the watch. Jump to today when I get home from work and click on that thread only to see this series of HUGE blown up images of my watch...at least it appeared to be my watch. The comments were not so much about hands but about this scratch matching that scratch...and bezel imperfections...and some other seller who posted photos of the watch years ago. What I saw was my watch being hyper scrutinized because it appeared to be the same as another member's watch. I honestly couldn't figure out what was happening. I saw only one comment about the hands. I thought I'd had the watch 10 yrs...maybe it was 5 or 7...and I think it came from chrono24. I honestly thought the hands were original, but I am no expert on this ref.

So to those of you who were reading the posts one at a time as they were posted, it probably didn't seem like anyone was attacking, but to me walking into all those images and discussion of another owner...it looked pretty ugly. I know it's a good watch, and hands are common service items on any vintage. They can be replaced. I'm asking you to see the event from my perspective, as a guy who knew he had done nothing wrong or deceptive. I think there was definitely an undercurrent of "is this guy trying to put something over on us" or "is this the same guy using two names with the same watch"? It definitely looked that way to me. Otherwise, it was all just about whether or not the same watch has been owned by two people. That wouldn't wouldn't seem to require the HUGE photos showing each tiny scratch or nick.

I'm sorry for being defensive. Maybe I'll stop by next April.

I understand how you could feel like you were under a microscope.

From my chair (reading posts one by one as the thread evolved), you posted a nice 120 mentioning you may want to sell (of course- nothing wrong with that other than a potential veiled sales offer- for which you have full rights and privileges to post an actual FS listing here as you rolled 200 posts).

Then the watch pops up on eBay the next day for $5.6k BIN. Nothing wrong with that, other than a listing price that high will raise the eyebrow of many here who know what these are actually going for- but I get it, you threw out a ridiculous BIN to actually see what kind of offers you would get- you went fishing- again, nothing wrong with that.

The conversation scrutinizing your watch was not the poke at or belittle it- it’s a nice watch. It was wether or not the distinctive hands were possibly a factory variant (which would lend to the collective knowledge and credibility of them being factory correct) as someone here had remembered seeing them before…and as it turns out, it was your watch that had been seen before. The scrutiny was not to find “flaws” in your watch, but to compare details (like nicks or scratches that could help identify the watch) from the current photos against the older ones to see if it was indeed the same watch.

This was about wanting to know if these were a factory variant set of hands, factory service hands that were not the same as the OEM, or just a fluke.
I don’t think anyone was thinking you were tying to pull anything over or there was anything shady. But when you got defensive, it automatically triggered the snark.

So, I hope we can all look at this as an example of possibly another set of service hands that were used on these at some point.
 
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Came across this 166027. Price is steep but to me it looks like one of the best I've seen. Am I missing some red flags on it?
 
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Looks like a nice example to me.
How much are they asking?
 
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I enjoyed watching this service of a 166.027 so thought I'd share the video
 
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I enjoyed watching this service of a 166.027 so thought I'd share the video

Looks amazing with that grey strap and the dark calendar wheel!
 
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I like how he treats the dial/hands

There was another Seamaster 120 service video, in that video the guy just puts down the watch dialside down onto the bergeon gel ... a great way to risk the lumes
 
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Replacing a white calendar wheel for a black one- is that doable with original parts?
 
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