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My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

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IS this ladies 565.007 correct? Print on the dial is faint but apart from that I think it may be ok.
I bought it years ago for my then missus but upgraded her to a speedy. Been lay in the watch box for a decade since

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Is that a gilt dial???
 
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Hi All,
I am looking for my first vintage watch and came across this - I think its legit. I have gone through the thread to pick up tips on spotting a fake - any ideas on this one? The main concern I have is the lack of seahorse on the back but some say its possible with wear.

Cheers,
Will
 
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Well I can't really see the case back from those photos but that aside it's perfectly genuine but overall in average condition.

The lume pip is missing (but overall the bezel looks quite nice to me, with the semi faded look) and critically for the dial, the hour markers have aged with a fairly unattractive dry, dirty look. That isn't to say it's a bad watch - just bear this in mind as it shouldn't command a top price.
 
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Well I can't really see the case back from those photos but that aside it's perfectly genuine but overall in average condition.

The lume pip is missing (but overall the bezel looks quite nice to me, with the semi faded look) and critically for the dial, the hour markers have aged with a fairly unattractive dry, dirty look. That isn't to say it's a bad watch - just bear this in mind as it shouldn't command a top price.

Thanks for your advice - much appreciated!
 
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I agree with what @Davidt has said.
Subject to the limited amount of photos posted it looks like a pretty decent example of a 165.027. This happens to be my personal favourite out of the four Seamaster 120 models - automatic movement without the date complication - and is generally thought to be the hardest model to find. It is also worth noting that it has the lumed seconds hand which is not seen very often.
Is it possible to get a photo of the movement (should be cal.552)?

A Seamaster 120 would certainly be a very nice first vintage watch subject to getting one for a fair price relative to the condition and whether it has had a proper service or not.
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IS this ladies 565.007 correct? Print on the dial is faint but apart from that I think it may be ok.
I bought it years ago for my then missus but upgraded her to a speedy. Been lay in the watch box for a decade since

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Well, Cal. 684 is a movement with a calendar, so as this is a no date dial, something is certainly off...this should have a Cal. 671.
 
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Well, Cal. 684 is a movement with a calendar, so as this is a no date dial, something is certainly off...this should have a Cal. 671.

Also the dial is missing the text 'Automatic'.
 
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Also the dial is missing the text 'Automatic'.

Indeed - I wasn't sure if the smaller dials had this, but I looked up the dial for this and yes it should have Automatic on it as well. Good catch.
 
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Hi, I just got this beautiful sm120 yesterday. Everything looks legit to my eyes, but Im wondering if the movement starting with 25xxxxxx is okey? Cal 565 of course 😀 Also, mine came ona 7912 64/2 #6 braclet and endlinks, is that period correct?

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Thanks.
These were sold as a "kit" for a little while. The first give away is the ight grey text- it should be bold white. When you start looking at the details compared to real ones you see the differences.
 
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Hey everyone, nice thread, ty

Ever since I saw a 120, I want one, I discovered it's a small ladies watch (Edit: I guess the Ladies version is different? It's confusing), I still want one - for some reason it's indeed a highly faked watch ...

(First one I saw, sold for 830$'s - I didn't pull the trigger because it had a makeshift seconds hand, for some reason they used a minutes hand of another watch as a sweeping seconds hand for this watch - honestly, It wasn't a bad price for a simple seconds hand replacement job)

Anyway, the reason I'm posting: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-OM...atch-17-J-Stainless-No-Bezel-563/224206579918

^ What's up with this watch? - It looks good to me, but the original model number is carved on, and "1 6 6 . 0 2 7" is manually carved under as an addition

I was thinking of buying this, a bezel, a bezel ring etc. - however, if the model number is makeshift, maybe the case won't accept a bezel if it's a failed frankestein
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Where do you think you will find a bezel?
 
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Where do you think you will find a bezel?

Honestly I'll probably just use an aftermarket one, If it had an original bezel, it would be a museum piece for me anyway

Reading the thread further, I discovered there is a Ladies size and Mens size? So the second hand bezel on eBay is for the Ladies one?
 
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