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My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

  1. Shabbaz Jan 30, 2020

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    I'm not sure about the whole watch. Dial and hands... pictures in dayligh of dial? Side case? Looks like a fake dial. Otherwise relumed.
     
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  2. Shabbaz Jan 30, 2020

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    Caseback looks fake too. Compare for example 'waterproof'.

    I would stay away from this one.
     
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  3. COYI Jan 30, 2020

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    Definitely avoid this one as it is put together with fake parts
     
  4. JwRosenthal Jan 30, 2020

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    This is a common fake, the movement looks like a real Omega movement transplanted from another watch, but the dial text should be white (not grey) back is suspect, pip is wrong....stay away.
    There were kits sold to make your own fake 120 and it provided everything except the movement- this is probably one of them
     
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  5. hmmmcamu Jan 30, 2020

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    120 manual wind
     
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  6. Malco Jan 30, 2020

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    Hey,

    thanks a lot !!

    this is my message to the seller :

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    Hey,
    I did a lot of research on the watch and there’s a lot of disturbing details :
    1) the drawing on the casback is not the classic Omega SM 120 one ;
    2) there ´s a too deep engraving on the caseback ;
    3) « _waterproof_ » is not engraving correctly, the letters are too close ;
    4) the dial text should be white (not grey), it’s impossible to had a grey text on a NOS watch ;
    5) on the dial it’s written « _seanaster_ » and not « _seamaster_ », I’ll send you pictures ;
    6) the Pip seems too be uncorrect.


    There were kits sold to make your own fake 120 and it provided everything except the movement- this is probably one of them.

    I’m sorry for you,

    You should change your watchmaker.

    I’m not reporting this information at chrono24 because you seems to be an honest person.

    I hope you’ll remove this watch,

    Good continuation »

    He answer me that he deleted the product and Send me the document from the Omega expert in Switzerland...

    i’m surprised...

    He said to me that he’s going to send me the document.

    I’m waiting !

    thanks
     
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  7. Shabbaz Jan 30, 2020

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    Let see that document from the expert!

    The interesting thing about the bezel is that the outerrim is metal color. Almost every fake bezel I saw had a black outerrim. The fake kits I saw have a black outerrim as well. So this is something different. Interesting.
     
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  8. Malco Jan 30, 2020

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    hey,

    yes I noticed that too.

    maybe a mixed...!

    thanks again for your support
     
  9. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jan 30, 2020

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    This should be fairly obvious....
     
  10. Malco Jan 30, 2020

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    Hey everyone,

    the seller just send me a message.

    He think that it’s a false !

    Thank’s to this forum I avoid a 1600$ mistake !!!

    so, now I’m looking again for a 120 !

    Are someone sell one ?

    :)
     
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  11. Shabbaz Jan 30, 2020

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    No problem! We charge 10% of that $ 1600...:D

    Anyway, where was the "experts" document?
     
  12. Malco Jan 30, 2020

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    I think they don’t even exist...
     
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  13. creepshow Jan 30, 2020

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    Have been searching for one of these for a long time but haven't pulled the trigger yet. What do you experts think about this one? Most things check out from what I can tell.
     
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  14. Malco Jan 31, 2020

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    Hey,

    I speak under the control of the other member but :

    - the logo on the caseback is correct ;

    - seamaster and no seanaster

    - white seamaster.

    for me it’s look authentique.

    :)
     
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  15. Shabbaz Jan 31, 2020

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    What worries me a bit is the fact I cant see any lume next to the date window.
     
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  16. creepshow Jan 31, 2020

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    Great catch. In the first pic it looks like there might be a little residue at the edge of the dial. After looking for every 136.027 picture possible online I think this is fairly common to lose the date lume drop and just see a little left behind.
     
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  17. JwRosenthal Jan 31, 2020

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    That 120 has got to be one of the cleanest I have seen- which raises an eyebrow for me- but always raise an eyebrow with these watches as there are known fakes. I do see a touch of discoloration at the edges of some of the lume which would be in keeping with a little moisture at one point- which is a good thing as it speaks to an original dial. The bezel has me wondering- it’s flawless, no wear at all- and is that finish correct (I thought they were more satin finish and not textured like this one)? I rarely see them this clean so it has me wondering.
     
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  18. Shabbaz Jan 31, 2020

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    I only bought 120's with faded bezels so I had a bit more security. I think with this one you really need to see it in person to make a good judgement. Degredation of the date window lume while the rest seems flawless. Like @JwRosenthal said the bezel raises a eyebrow. Hmmm. Difficult to say...
     
  19. JwRosenthal Jan 31, 2020

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    Also need to mention- bracelet is possibly not correct for this watch, I would also ask for pics of the endlinks and clasp so I could verify the #’s. The correct bracelets for these definitely add value
     
  20. Malco Jan 31, 2020

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    Hey everyone,

    I found one but I never see lume like that..

    1964 Omega seamaster 120 date :


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