My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

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Seems like most are on a black crocodile strap.

Fake strap and buckle too.
 
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In the 1960's, with the success of the of the Seamaster 300, 3rd generation divers, the 165.024 and 166.024, Omega began their series of "baby" divers, the SM120s. Cheaper, Smaller and lighter, 37mm as opposed to the 41mm SM300, the SM120s were initially produced in 4 references. Unlike the SM300 which were only automatic, manual movements were offered as well. 31mm ladies sizes too, (I don't have any of these but be careful as some sellers neglect to mention they are selling the tiny size!!)


THE FOUR REFERENCES:
135.027 Manual Movement, No Date, Caliber 601, 611
136.027 Manual Movement, with Date, Caliber 613
165.027 Auto Movement, No Date, Caliber 552
166.027 Auto Movement, with Date, Cailber 565

Below are pics of my SM120's. Most I think are fairly nice EXCEPT THE LAST EXAMPLE WHICH IS A BOGUS KNOCKOFF AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED!

I hope this is informative and corrections and comments are always welcome.

Ref 135.027
All 4 references appear to share the same case, 5.5mm crown, hands and matte bezel. The caseback Seahorse engraving appears to be the same on all 4 references as well.


Casebacks on the 135.027 and 136.027 are flat. Seahorse is lightly engraved as shown.


All original legitimate cases have notches at the 3 and the 9. This notch may be missing on bogus examples.


136.027



165.027 For me, the hardest of the 4 to source. Dial now includes "Automatic". Note the TT location on the dial is slightly different from the 135s


Caseback is now domed to make room for the movement rotor.


166.027s



THIS IS THE BOGUS 166.027!! It's plentiful, it's cheap. This was the first SM120 I bought. My mistake cost $500 before I realized there was a difference. Other than a Caliber 565 movement taken from another Omega, it's all bad
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Glossy bezel, wrong 4, different bezel font. Hands too short, Dial fonts and layout (Automatic is compressed). Black date on white background from the borrowed movement.


Caseback seamonster is incorrect. Engraving is too deep. Crown too small.



No case notch at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock.
Thanks! This helped me not buy a fake.
 
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What do you guys think? I believe it to be the best one I have seen. I'll be listing it for sale today. No flaws I can see on the dial.

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More pics. I appreciate your critique so I can have an informed sales listing.

ur BOR braceLet seems tO have 18mm endLInks .... the lug width of the 120 is 19mm ..
. would help ur sale pst if u set ur camera to .... MICRO .. get up close to the ... MARKERS AND LUME ... also upclose to the .... BEZEL .. also if the crystal has ... Omega LOGO
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Looks pretty good to me. Hard to say more without a close up of the dial but it certainly looks clean.
 
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Wait, I was told mine was a 120
This would be a late 120 from the 90s (ish). The watches that this thread is concerned with were made in the mid to late 60s and early 70s.
 
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For a minute I thought you were telling the japenney his was from the 90s. It looks very nice to me. I can't say it's the BEST with the missing pip, but the patina and dial are very nice and warm. Bezel, hands, crown look original to me. The bracelet is neither here nor there unless you list it as original. In the current market it could fetch 2500 ish for just the head.
 
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For a minute I thought you were telling the japenney his was from the 90s. It looks very nice to me. I can't say it's the BEST with the missing pip, but the patina and dial are very nice and warm. Bezel, hands, crown look original to me. The bracelet is neither here nor there unless you list it as original. In the current market it could fetch 2500 ish for just the head.

I appreciate the input on the originality.
 
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First time poster to OF. This is a super helpful and informative thread, which I am only about two years late reading. Nonetheless, is it possible to replace a missing lume pip? If so, how does one do that?
 
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Hi guys, I have recently taken the plunge on this piece here:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Diver-Omega-Automatic-Seamaster-120-Ref-165027-Cal-552-Original-Dial-Patina-/173899355329?hash=item287d3594c1:g:e3MAAOSwD3pc1VTs&nma=true&si=mLihCpoMzuQW68xjAJa8hkuhMc8%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I have only just seen this thread and now I have some alarm bells ringing - namely the ref on case back (165.0002) and the condition of the bezel... Does anyone with more experienced eyes see any red flags?
Yes, I see red flags. I dont believe that bezel is original to the watch. But the caseback is fine. You only dont see the 7. it's probably saying: 165.00027
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And maybe it's better to start a seperate thread for more opinions. And next time please post pictures iso a link. Thnx
 
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This thread is very helpful. The 120 has been on my list for a while so the more info the better, including bad back jobs and fake/remakes to known how to spot the red flags