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hmmmcamu
·Good point that caseback is scribble. What does it mean when there is a 1 in between the omega symbol on the movement.
My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.
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Watchout312
·Thanks for your help. Looks like it’s back to the abyss lol,
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerHow about the movement, it looks like it says 513 instead of 613. Any clue why that would be?
Not a great photo, but it says 613...
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Watchout312
·thats the issue on Jack Wongs post the numbers don't match ... on the serial number dates it from
1973 ... watch was made in the 60's and she\oud have a 600 series ref mvmnt
Can anyone weight in on this, the watch in question has a serial # starting with 31 which is high for the model (thank you UWSearch and hmmmcamu). The omega website shows the 120 at 1966, which I assume was produce through the early 70s. The second photo shows serial #31 being produced in 1969, wouldn’t this work.
Please let me know if my line of thinking is off.
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hmmmcamu
·service movement ? ...... watch had NEW movement dropped in it maybe at some point ? thing weird about the papers included in Jack Wong's original sale pst is the paper wrk is altered and scratched off
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Watchout312
·service movement ? ...... watch had NEW movement dropped in it maybe at some point ? thing weird about the papers included in Jack Wong's original sale pst is the paper wrk is altered and scratched off
When I spoke with Jack, he seemed to be under the impression the paperwork was not for the watch in question. It was basically thrown in, so I think leaving the paperwork out of the evaluation will be less confusing.
What I am saying is, could this serial#31 on the movement 613 as seen from the pics, be original to the watch.
It is in question because it is high, however from the photos below on Omega’s website the 120 line seemed to be produced in 1970. The chart would validate that as serial #31 would put the watch around 1969-1970.
On a side note, everyone on the forum has been very accommodating with my questions and the fact that I high jacked this thread. Sorry
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monti
·Great information, thanks for sharing. Seems you really got to do your homework as to not get taken these days.
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Watchout312
·1967 Omega Seamaster 120 " SKIN DIVER "
Model# 6154
Case Ref.# 135.027
Cal. 601 manual wind
paired with KOMFIT SS bracelet [Astronaut] by JB Champion USA
Here’s my newly purchased 120 on a Tropic Strap.
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skipper
·Does anybody recall if there has been any mention/reference in these 14 pages of the 31mm Ladies version? Before I start the long trawl through...?!
Re the 31mm, any suggestions on approx price for an original piece needing a service? Got absolutely no idea on these, but fancy finding a nice one for Mrs Skipper, just that bit different to most of the more contemporary Omega ladies offerings.
Re the 31mm, any suggestions on approx price for an original piece needing a service? Got absolutely no idea on these, but fancy finding a nice one for Mrs Skipper, just that bit different to most of the more contemporary Omega ladies offerings.
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COYI
·@skipper It is discussed here https://omegaforums.net/threads/need-advice-on-purchasing-vintage-ladies-omegas.75829/
If you can find one, the version with a burgundy dial is a beautiful ladies vintage watch.
If you can find one, the version with a burgundy dial is a beautiful ladies vintage watch.
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Muddlerminnow
·This thread has been a one of the most useful tutorials of any kind I have read--thank you to all who contributed to it. I;ve been looking at 120s for a while, had a hard time sorting them out, and when I saw this one on the Bay it was easy to see what was wrong right away:
New dial, new bezel (with 10 instead of 12 notches per hour), and a too perfect caseback:
Hell of a pretty fake, even if the movement seems right. I guess it's all about your parameters--you can fool a lot of people with things like these, but it's no ruse if you are fooling yourself.
New dial, new bezel (with 10 instead of 12 notches per hour), and a too perfect caseback:
Hell of a pretty fake, even if the movement seems right. I guess it's all about your parameters--you can fool a lot of people with things like these, but it's no ruse if you are fooling yourself.
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Watchout312
·This one almost got me too, I told the seller he was selling fake items and he got very defensive.
This thread was very helpful, the memebers answered all of my many inquiries and I ended up with a gem.
This thread was very helpful, the memebers answered all of my many inquiries and I ended up with a gem.
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connieseamaster
·Old movement in fake case/bezel/dial. It's the exact same kit as was posted on December 15. Look at the dial tics
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Shabbaz
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They are everywhere... How many people paid top dollar and walking around with fake parts 120's? It's going viral... I think I would buy only faded 120's from now on if I were buying. Be careful out there!
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Watchout312
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Seems like most are on a black crocodile strap.
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X350 XJR
··Vintage Omega AficionadoSeems like most are on a black crocodile strap.
Fake strap and buckle too.
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Cchao
·In the 1960's, with the success of the of the Seamaster 300, 3rd generation divers, the 165.024 and 166.024, Omega began their series of "baby" divers, the SM120s. Cheaper, Smaller and lighter, 37mm as opposed to the 41mm SM300, the SM120s were initially produced in 4 references. Unlike the SM300 which were only automatic, manual movements were offered as well. 31mm ladies sizes too, (I don't have any of these but be careful as some sellers neglect to mention they are selling the tiny size!!)
THE FOUR REFERENCES:
135.027 Manual Movement, No Date, Caliber 601, 611
136.027 Manual Movement, with Date, Caliber 613
165.027 Auto Movement, No Date, Caliber 552
166.027 Auto Movement, with Date, Cailber 565
Below are pics of my SM120's. Most I think are fairly nice EXCEPT THE LAST EXAMPLE WHICH IS A BOGUS KNOCKOFF AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED!
I hope this is informative and corrections and comments are always welcome.
Ref 135.027
All 4 references appear to share the same case, 5.5mm crown, hands and matte bezel. The caseback Seahorse engraving appears to be the same on all 4 references as well.
Casebacks on the 135.027 and 136.027 are flat. Seahorse is lightly engraved as shown.
All original legitimate cases have notches at the 3 and the 9. This notch may be missing on bogus examples.
136.027
165.027 For me, the hardest of the 4 to source. Dial now includes "Automatic". Note the TT location on the dial is slightly different from the 135s
Caseback is now domed to make room for the movement rotor.
166.027s
THIS IS THE BOGUS 166.027!! It's plentiful, it's cheap. This was the first SM120 I bought. My mistake cost $500 before I realized there was a difference. Other than a Caliber 565 movement taken from another Omega, it's all bad
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Glossy bezel, wrong 4, different bezel font. Hands too short, Dial fonts and layout (Automatic is compressed). Black date on white background from the borrowed movement.
Caseback seamonster is incorrect. Engraving is too deep. Crown too small.
No case notch at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock.
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Watchout312
·Let’s see a pic of your 120.
