My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

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I've just seen these 'Seamaster 120' kits which will no doubt fool quite a few people. The manufacturers may have read this thread as the cases have the notches that @gemini4 highlighted. Perhaps it's time he wrote a reference book ;-)

 
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as for the Second sweep hand .... I am not sure ... based on the link u shared ... i can only go by these VINTAGE ADVERTS .....where there other 120's with the second sweep hand mounted on the 120 in ur photos ... seems there are .... wether these were the correct second sweep hands that came with the 120's originally, I would go by the advert photos below ... now are these hands Omega ... probably .... could be replacements attached to some 120's when they were sent in for a service ...... perhaps the original second sweep hand was unavailable at the time some 120's were sent in, and these were used as a substitute .... and that is why u see some pieces with these second sweep hands .... ???? ... remember back in the day a watch maker was able to order parts from Omega directly for a watch

Hah! And people keep saying I'm nuts for insisting that the 566.007 came in colors other than black/black
 
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I've just seen these 'Seamaster 120' kits which will no doubt fool quite a few people. The manufacturers may have read this thread as the cases have the notches that @gemini4 highlighted. Perhaps it's time he wrote a reference book ;-)

Honestly, if they made a bezel to fit the 31mm version, I'd buy it and keep the original in a safe spot.
 
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Very interesting. I have seen a few of these on eBay over the past few months.

I've just seen these 'Seamaster 120' kits which will no doubt fool quite a few people. The manufacturers may have read this thread as the cases have the notches that @gemini4 highlighted. Perhaps it's time he wrote a reference book ;-)

 
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I've just seen these 'Seamaster 120' kits which will no doubt fool quite a few people. The manufacturers may have read this thread as the cases have the notches that @gemini4 highlighted. Perhaps it's time he wrote a reference book ;-)



What makes these fake? They look pretty real to me 😬🙁🙁
 
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The biggest thing that stood out to me is the dial text color. It looks grey on those dials and white on the original ones I’ve seen.
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The biggest thing that stood out to me is the dial text color. It looks grey on those dials and white on the original ones I’ve seen.
Hard to tell.

Where have you seen these for sale? Any links?
 
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ORIGINAL BEZEL PIP detail ....
also note degradation of LUME on vintage dial with no water intrusion or moisture intrusion as follows
 
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ORIGINAL CASEBACK DETAIL ...
note: markings are shallow in depth NOT DEEP grooves ...


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SS OMEGA Bracelet ref# 1098 with 19mm endlinks ref# 547

Omega SS bracelet originally paired with SM 120 [both manual and automatic versions]
 
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Very interesting. I have seen a few of these on eBay over the past few months.
yes, I've seen several sell on ebay recently for pretty high prices.
 
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The biggest thing that stood out to me is the dial text color. It looks grey on those dials and white on the original ones I’ve seen.
I wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturer reads this forum given the case notches so they will probably concentrate on perfecting the dial text next
 
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The fakes have been all over eBay for a while. They're getting better but fake non the less.

Several threads on them.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturer reads this forum given the case notches so they will probably concentrate on perfecting the dial text next

All they really have to do to know these details is look at a real one, so I doubt "this forum" is really helping the scammers much...
 
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All they really have to do to know these details is look at a real one, so I doubt "this forum" is really helping the scammers much...

Yes, you would have thought so Al but the earlier versions seem to have been made without the notches. Since the OP highlighted this discrepancy the newer versions now have notched cases. Of course it's probably just a coincidence ;-)
 
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Yes, you would have thought so Al but the earlier versions seem to have been made without the notches. Since the OP highlighted this discrepancy the newer versions now have notched cases. Of course it's probably just a coincidence ;-)

The level of detail they go with the reproductions clearly doesn't indicate what they know, or they would have made the notches the right size...

Personally I think the whole idea of not discussing details to keep fakers from "knowing" the differences is a bit much, since all they need to do is look at a real example.
 
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I agree. I certainly wasn't implying we shouldn't be discussing the details here. In fact I think it's great that there are resources out there, like on this forum, which help people spot a fake.

Unfortunately, looking at recent sales on eBay it seems some people have been caught out.
 
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Hi all,

Forgive me for my ignorance, but after reading through 8 pages worth of valuable information on the Seamaster 120; one question remains unanswered: which references are okay to come with a date in black on a white background, and which ones should come with a white on black font? Looking at the ad posted above by @hmmmcamu, it was supposedly correct for both the manually and automatically wound models for a certain period of time?

Appreciate more input on this, thanks in advance!

Anyone has answer to this question? I’m curious to know as well. It seems to me that most of the people posted SM120 with black date on white background.
 
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Anyone has answer to this question? I’m curious to know as well. It seems to me that most of the people posted SM120 with black date on white background.


all vintage ads show black numbers with white background .....