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Military Omega Seamaster 300

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It's definitely 552, serial number 27508070.
Well, serial match the range 27.50x., seen on "many" 70 stamped RN300's, so properly ok in regards to movement being delivered to MoD or GoldSmith.
But I have a little issue with the caseback being a HF produced one (and the original reference no. crossed out also). I don't think I've ever seen a correct RN300 with a caseback that wasn't a CB produced one. Correct caseback inside markings pictured below.
And yes, again, these saw a lot of action and parts were exchanged heavily during service, but to me, a non CB caseback would lower the value. Not as much as a missing T dial etc, but still.

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I am not sure if the customer would want the bracelet removing,
100% sure that the new owner does not want the bracelet 馃槈
 
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There seems to be some black gunk around the seal??
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That is the remains of the rubber gasket, shows it has not been opened recently and by recently I mean 15 years +
 
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But I have a little issue with the caseback being a HF produced one (and the original reference no. crossed out also). I don't think I've ever seen a correct RN300 with a caseback that wasn't a CB produced one. Correct caseback inside markings pictured below.

Well... it is correct that most MoD SM300 have CB casebacks, but regardless if Army or Navy issued. However, not all of them. Here we have three nice examples, all RN SM300 with HF casebacks, two even have exactly the same crossed out and re-engraved reference.

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Source: put together from the MWR Forum and other sources I can't remember
 
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Back to the bespoken watch:

-Caseback looks 100% authentic to me, outer and inner side
-Movement serial number is in the correct range for a 1969 production and 69 or 70 year of issue
-Tell your watchmaker to remove that bracelet. Beside it's totally ugly it does not belong to that watch reference. And we have to see the (hopefully fixed) bars to get an opinion about the case itself. Could still be a put-together watch
 
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Hi All I have some more info on the watch. I put the enquiry out to Christies and also Omega (to check the serial numbers etc.. and any records). Unfortunately I didn't hear back from Omega, but I had a reply back from Christies. They checked out the serial numbers with Omega, ( they obviously had more gravitas with Omega than myself). The watch was originally issued to the Navy, they also commented that the dial was a non military dial. I did manage to speak to the customer and was able to get more background on the history. It turns out to be her late fathers who did consultation work for the Navy in the 60's and he travelled around the World with them, she has no box or supporting documents with it and it was just slung in a drawer un discovered. Christies did comment that prospectively they would look at putting this up for sale with a reserve of 拢15,000.00 to 拢25,000.00.
I would value any more comments on this one now we know more from Omega, especially on value. I need to prospectively put a value on the watch for insurance purposes.

Thank you all!!
 
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Hi All I have some more info on the watch. I put the enquiry out to Christies and also Omega (to check the serial numbers etc.. and any records). Unfortunately I didn't hear back from Omega, but I had a reply back from Christies. They checked out the serial numbers with Omega, ( they obviously had more gravitas with Omega than myself). The watch was originally issued to the Navy, they also commented that the dial was a non military dial. I did manage to speak to the customer and was able to get more background on the history. It turns out to be her late fathers who did consultation work for the Navy in the 60's and he travelled around the World with them, she has no box or supporting documents with it and it was just slung in a drawer un discovered. Christies did comment that prospectively they would look at putting this up for sale with a reserve of 拢15,000.00 to 拢25,000.00.
I would value any more comments on this one now we know more from Omega, especially on value. I need to prospectively put a value on the watch for insurance purposes.

Thank you all!!

Good news.
Without the T dial I think the above estimate is about right for an auction, remember the seller will not receive the full auction amount.
For Insurance maybe 拢30k-拢35k?

Mine has a T dial and is in great condition, I think it is 拢50k for insurance.
(This might need reviewed this year)
Edit, mine's at 拢20k for insurance, deffo needs reviewed!

Why not ask Christies for an Insurance estimate rather than auction estimate?
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Thanks watchlovr! I was tetering aroung 拢35,000. Just going to look at some more hammer prices. Lovely watch!
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It would be worth paying for the Omega archive extract which should show the RN connection and adds value.
 
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Good to hear 馃憤

And as Ash said, an 'Extract of the archives' will increase the value, even significantly when it shows "...delivered to the Royal Navy...". And don't forget to remove that wrong bracelet, the fixed bars must be visible. We still haven't seen them so far.
 
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~thanks everyone I will advise our client, I think paying for the military records is a very good idea and fitting with a nice Nato strap, and new seal would work a treat.
all the best XX
 
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Hi all, very interesting thread. I am completely new to the form and would like some advice. The SM I have here does not possess the fixed bars but everything else seems to correspond as in the serials number inside etc. Also need to have the hands restored/replaced. Any advice would be welcomed, thanks.
 
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Hi all, very interesting thread. I am completely new to the form and would like some advice. The SM I have here does not possess the fixed bars but everything else seems to correspond as in the serials number inside etc. Also need to have the hands restored/replaced. Any advice would be welcomed, thanks.
Refinished Dial... caseback might be correct. 50/50. I might be wrong...
 
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Refinished Dial... caseback might be correct. 50/50. I might be wrong...
Yes I was told the dial was refinished by Omega about 8 years ago. How do I go about the military records search, any idea?
 
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Yes I was told the dial was refinished by Omega about 8 years ago. How do I go about the military records search, any idea?
Request an extract from the archives.
 
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lovely pic!, yes I can see there are some circular markings. I will need to get back to you with the confirmation of the calibre and serial number etc.. and I should have a pic of the inside of the case and movement. Bit concerned that the crown is not screw down........ and no T on the dial.

thanks for your help..
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hi, i have just joined as i saw your photos.... i have a military issue seamaster 300 and the back is plain with the numbers engraved on it... i dont think they have the normal back markings.... mine doesnt have the " T " on the dial either... i have owned mine since 1973 so im pretty sure its genuine.
 
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