Many U.K. Members Here?

gbesq · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
What prompted their decision to sail west? Religious persecution, politics ….?
Both hugely expensive and a pretty irrevocable decision

Religious persecution. They were Quakers.

Spruce · Sep 12, 2022

gbesq
Religious persecution. They were Quakers.

That’s pretty amazing. I’ve just had a quick look at Wikipedia. Hadn’t realised that on top of everything else, Quakers took a stand against slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_in_North_America

I’m a (retired) trial lawyer and was always impressed that William Penn's jury set a precedent by risking imprisonment rather than returning a verdict contrary to their oaths.

gbesq · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
That’s pretty amazing. I’ve just had a quick look at Wikipedia. Hadn’t realised that on top of everything else, Quakers took a stand against slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_in_North_America

I’m a (retired) trial lawyer and was always impressed that William Penn's jury set a precedent by risking imprisonment rather than returning a verdict contrary to their oaths.

Yes, I’m aware of the history. Although Quakers have historically comprised only a tiny subset of Christians, they have had a disproportionately positive influence on fostering social change in many areas. In addition to their opposition to war, Quakers worked for the abolition of slavery, have advocated for the humane treatment of prisoners and the mentally ill, supported women’s rights, have opposed human trafficking, and have long been engaged in many other iniatives for social justice.

Turpinr · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
That’s pretty amazing. I’ve just had a quick look at Wikipedia. Hadn’t realised that on top of everything else, Quakers took a stand against slavery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_in_North_America

I’m a (retired) trial lawyer and was always impressed that William Penn's jury set a precedent by risking imprisonment rather than returning a verdict contrary to their oaths.

Lancashire cotton workers sided with the North, and the slaves, in the American civil war even though they relied on the cotton to make a living.

Spruce · Sep 12, 2022

Turpinr
Lancashire cotton workers sided with the North, and the slaves, in the American civil war even though they relied on the cotton to make a living.

My granny worked in the Lancashire mills at the end of the C19. She could lip read, as could all the mill women, because of the noise.

padders · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
My granny worked in the Lancashire mills at the end of the C19. She could lip read, as could all the mill women, because of the noise.

A dose of glue ear at the age of 6-7 gives you a similar ability. I can still lip read despite having normal hearing for most of my life. You don't always 'hear' good news or positive reviews with this superpower!

Oh and of slightly more relevance, I am UK based too, the middle bit.

Omegafanman · Sep 12, 2022

I think this is an affectionate homage ..... looking back at films from the forties and fifties in the UK lip reading was common tactic for garden wall chats about more 'sensative' areas.....

(92) Les Dawson - Cissie & Ada - Chatting on the Doorstep - YouTube

Turpinr · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
My granny worked in the Lancashire mills at the end of the C19. She could lip read, as could all the mill women, because of the noise.

I watched a documentary only recently that mentioned the lip reading
Worked long hours too and the conditions must have been awful.
The munition girls in the first world war also had it tough.
I've got tinnitus from working in factories for 45 years but it's nothing like your granny would have put up with

Kik_Kat_Kish · Sep 12, 2022

Hail from the same City as Dave Hill of Slade fame.

Turpinr · Sep 12, 2022

Kik_Kat_Kish
Hail from the same City as Dave Hill of Slade fame.

Dave Hill=Xmas in July, every year

tikkathree · Sep 12, 2022

gbesq
I'm not a UK resident, but certainly have the ancestry on my mother's side. My family arrived in the U.S. from England in the 1600s. I visited London a fews years ago and it was nice to finally make that connection.

So, reciprocally, I am a UK resident, a Brit, and within the past 5 years have been very proud to learn that I have ancestry on my biological dad's side from the US. Actually they left a place about 35 miles from where I live now (pure coincidence) travelled west and were part of the Mormon Pioneer movement to SLC, Utah. Then in the early 1950s my dad served his country in post-war Germany and before shipping home via Liverpool England met my mum and started me off.

I gre up not that far from where Turpinr lives and moved in the 80's to where I now call home in Suffolk.

tikkathree · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
My granny worked in the Lancashire mills at the end of the C19. She could lip read, as could all the mill women, because of the noise.

As did my maternal grannie, her sisters and for a while my mum. In Blackburn where I grew up the ability to lip read was called "mee-moing" (pronounced "moh ing"). As a primary school kid I'd pass weaving sheds & spinning mills and the level of clackety-clack racket was like nothing else. On hot days they'd sometimes open a fire door onto the street and you'd dare to look inside. You might get your head in through the doorway but a foot or a hand? "GET OUT!!"

Turpinr · Sep 12, 2022

tikkathree
As did my maternal grannie, her sisters and for a while my mum. In Blackburn where I grew up the ability to lip read was called "mee-moing" (pronounced "moh ing"). As a primary school kid I'd pass weaving sheds & spinning mills and the level of clackety-clack racket was like nothing else. On hot days they'd sometimes open a fire door onto the street and you'd dare to look inside. You might get your head in through the doorway but a foot or a hand? "GET OUT!!"

Reading "mee-moing" made me laugh, a saying you don't hear much these days and I have to admit, I didn't know that was it's origin.
I worked with a bloke from Rishton at Leyland Motors in the 70's and he'd worked in cotton mills a decade earlier.

MRC · Sep 12, 2022

Kik_Kat_Kish
Hail from the same City as Dave Hill of Slade fame.

Don't say you are in Penn? I lived there for seven years.

size11s · Sep 12, 2022

I grew up just south of Blackburn, twixt it and Bolton, near Darwen. My maternal grandfather had tales of being in t'mill at 14 and having to crawl under the looms clearing the fluff away whilst they were still running.

Spruce · Sep 12, 2022

size11s
I grew up just south of Blackburn, twixt it and Bolton, near Darwen. My maternal grandfather had tales of being in t'mill at 14 and having to crawl under the looms clearing the fluff away whilst they were still running.

Farnworth and Little Hulton for me.

My great grandad’s metal foundry - made cast iron parts for mines and mills in the area

lillatroll · Sep 12, 2022

I am from Wales, A town called Barry to be precise. I have not lived there for most of my Adult life but it is my homeland in my heart and always will be.

size11s · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
Farnworth and Little Hulton for me.

My great grandad’s metal foundry - made cast iron parts for mines and mills in the area

That sounds like a cool great grandad of the period. Egerton was where I sprouted but family around Oldham and Ashton-u-Lyne which is where my grandad, born 1902 was in the mills as a kid.

Very nice to see the moors, I miss those.

Turpinr · Sep 12, 2022

size11s
I grew up just south of Blackburn, twixt it and Bolton, near Darwen. My maternal grandfather had tales of being in t'mill at 14 and having to crawl under the looms clearing the fluff away whilst they were still running.

No such thing as health and safety in those days.
People with fingers and limbs missing was common place and fatalities too.
My missusususus nephews and great nephews live in Darwen, it's only over th'ills from us

Turpinr · Sep 12, 2022

Spruce
Farnworth and Little Hulton for me.

My great grandad’s metal foundry - made cast iron parts for mines and mills in the area

I've worked at a couple of firms that've made parts for mines including the pumps.

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