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lexieb007
·This is a wordy thread so I may have missed it but do you have the serial number and does it check out on ‘I love my speedmaster’?
Given potential issues here I’d need a better movement picture before continuing.
Looking to purchase this 105.012-65
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lexieb007
·Look I don't know why folks are starting to go on the attack here... everyone is a genius these days that they got lucky and got their original pristine untouched or unmodded genuine moonwatches before the massive price hikes - I get it.. Yep you are all sitting on fortunes. If someone would like to offer theirs up to me shoot me a PM. I'm all ears. Like I said I'm no tight a. I have had offers in for 14K 66's (that turned out to have non original crowns and relumed hands), and 16K 65's that also had fake parts.(on further investigation) ..Another very nice one that I was really interested was pulled after spending months here on sale with no buyers....I get it....
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ndgal
·Look I don't know why folks are starting to get on the attack here..
We're trying to talk you off the ledge but you're insistent on jumping, so... Go ahead!
I have had offers in for 14K 66's (that turned out to have non original crowns and relumed hands), and 16K 65's that also had fake parts...I get it....
You come here asking for help and then argue with the people trying to help you.
I think we can close this thread.
Enjoy your watch! 👍
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lexieb007
·Ok so the summary is it's made of original authentic parts but some (hands) have been swapped in and the dial could (but that's not certain?) have been relumed. Its authentic but "a thrown together" '65. It's rated "fair". Cool. If someone has a better genuine no swapped parts 105.012-65 or 66 for sale could they shoot me a PM. Thanks for everyone's help!
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Marsimaxam
·lexieboo7... have you bought the watch?
Hopefully not, as many others have stated... don't unless you can get the price down to less than 8K. But as ndgal has said... "but, hey, it's your money." If the major issue for you is authenticity... you can still do better. Take your time and you will find your deal.
Not all of us have been fortunate to buy all our watches cheap decades ago... yes, I've been lucky, but age will sometimes do that to you. I can't say all my buys have been inexpensive. I just bought a 145.022-68 transitional and paid a lot, but, it was what I was looking for, in the condition I wanted, and I'm happy.
Good luck in what ever you decide... and remember, everyone here is just trying to be helpful. Ndgal is one of the more knowledgeable members especially when it comes to the Speedmaster.
Here's a link, for example, to another 105.012-65 for sale on the Forum:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ome...brown-dial-cal-321-with-omega-extract.118802/
Hopefully not, as many others have stated... don't unless you can get the price down to less than 8K. But as ndgal has said... "but, hey, it's your money." If the major issue for you is authenticity... you can still do better. Take your time and you will find your deal.
Not all of us have been fortunate to buy all our watches cheap decades ago... yes, I've been lucky, but age will sometimes do that to you. I can't say all my buys have been inexpensive. I just bought a 145.022-68 transitional and paid a lot, but, it was what I was looking for, in the condition I wanted, and I'm happy.
Good luck in what ever you decide... and remember, everyone here is just trying to be helpful. Ndgal is one of the more knowledgeable members especially when it comes to the Speedmaster.
Here's a link, for example, to another 105.012-65 for sale on the Forum:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ome...brown-dial-cal-321-with-omega-extract.118802/
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lexieb007
·^ hey thanks for all that... No I have not purchased this watch. I'll probably pull out from the deal now thanks to all the fantastic help here. As a matter of fact I enquired about the '65 you have linked a month or so ago (I really love that watch) and have corresponded with the seller already but it turned out the watch was in Indonesia (I balked at buying such an expensive purchase on line from a location like that with no purchaser backups) call me old fashion, i guess. I sure would love this forum to have an escrow service (for sales). BTW I love your new purchase 😀- you pulled the trigger I remember a bit before i did 😉LOL.
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Davidt
·I think you're concentrating on the wrong aspects here.
The parts being genuine and correct is a huge question you need to ask when buying a vintage Speedmaster but it's not the only question. Hell, it's not even the main question.
I'd rather have a watch in very good condition that had a fake bezel (because I can remedy that) than a watch with all original parts in in poor condition. The reason being, with a poor watch if you change a poor bezel, everything else is still poor.
No ones going on the attack here, like I said before, you're simply asking for absolute answers when it's not possible to give them (as is often the case with any vintage watch). Instead you need to consider what likely and unlikely and base your price on that.
If it helps, I wouldn't pay 8k for it. I'd rather wait for a better one.
The parts being genuine and correct is a huge question you need to ask when buying a vintage Speedmaster but it's not the only question. Hell, it's not even the main question.
I'd rather have a watch in very good condition that had a fake bezel (because I can remedy that) than a watch with all original parts in in poor condition. The reason being, with a poor watch if you change a poor bezel, everything else is still poor.
No ones going on the attack here, like I said before, you're simply asking for absolute answers when it's not possible to give them (as is often the case with any vintage watch). Instead you need to consider what likely and unlikely and base your price on that.
If it helps, I wouldn't pay 8k for it. I'd rather wait for a better one.
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lexieb007
·^ Yep that helps a lot
Thanks for that
Bezels seem easy to source and replace.
Crowns maybe/maybe not - one guy I know got one from other side of world he thought was OK then it wouldn't fit right turns out it had been repaired different in the past...
Original tritium hands in good condition - that are the correct length (LOL) are almost impossible it seems
Probably why so many are relumed
Actually It's always been the hands with this piece that I am looking at...first thing I noticed..
That and that alone (and the difficulty finding better replacements) will kill this deal.
I really appreciate your comments and hopefully others will learn stuff as well following this thread..
Thanks for that
Bezels seem easy to source and replace.
Crowns maybe/maybe not - one guy I know got one from other side of world he thought was OK then it wouldn't fit right turns out it had been repaired different in the past...
Original tritium hands in good condition - that are the correct length (LOL) are almost impossible it seems
Probably why so many are relumed
Actually It's always been the hands with this piece that I am looking at...first thing I noticed..
That and that alone (and the difficulty finding better replacements) will kill this deal.
I really appreciate your comments and hopefully others will learn stuff as well following this thread..
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Scarecrow Boat
·(I really love that watch) and have corresponded with the seller already but it turned out the watch was in Indonesia (I balked at buying such an expensive purchase on line from a location like that
https://omegaforums.net/threads/sliceoftime_-is-a-great-seller.100407/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/excellent-transaction-with-sliceoftime_.104361/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/sliceoftime_-is-a-great-seller.100407/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/excellent-seller-sliceoftime_.73979/
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lexieb007
·Um, are you serious? This is a global forum with many knowledgeable and trustworthy members that stretch to all corners of the world. Did you bother to look up this users reviews or history on this forum? They have been around for a while.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/sliceoftime_-is-a-great-seller.100407/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/excellent-transaction-with-sliceoftime_.104361/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/sliceoftime_-is-a-great-seller.100407/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/excellent-seller-sliceoftime_.73979/
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Scarecrow Boat
·Still doesn't mean you just send cash off to Indonesia
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lexieb007
·You don't send money to an entire country but to a specific individual within... or are you saying that everyone in this part of the word is untrustworthy?
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kov
·Original tritium hands in good condition - that are the correct length (LOL) are almost impossible it seems
I have a good dozen of sets in my parts bin. On Chrono24 they are certainly impossible to get - you might be looking at a wrong place 😗
My advice : take your time and educate yourself or you’ll pay that noob tax.
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Davidt
·There are countries I do business with and countries I don't. Not my problem nor is what I am saying nonsense. Got nothing to do with the quality of the individual. I thought the guy was reasonable. You obviously have no idea of the Indonesian banking system (or postal service for that matter).. how would you get the money back if there was a problem or the watch never turned up?
I think you'd have that problem in most countries.
If you pay by bank transfer and the watch doesn't turn up you're in the hands of the person/business who sold it to you.
I'd only do bank transfer to a person I had confidence in.
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lexieb007
·^ Sure but it's Indonesia. Like I said you been to South East Asia? Look I wouldn't be the only one unhappy about sending $13,000 USD cash into the ether to a bank account in Indonesia! Heck. Anyway. Probably why it's still for sale and at 13K.. another of the risks buying a speedy I guess..
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Pinoysurf
·Sure I did. Of course I did that. Still doesn't mean you just send 13K USD cash off to Indonesia prior to actually having the product you've purchased secured in your possession or escrowed. You ever been to south east asia?
The beauty of credit cards....."purchase protection"!
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lexieb007
·What do you all think of his watch btw? ..the one linked above in Indonesia..None of you guys commented on it. And a newbie like me with a low post count can't ask questions on a sale listing..i've been relying on your comments in the sales section...
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