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Looking to purchase this 105.012-65

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Ok following the "Vintage Omega posting guide" above here is a watch I am interested in...

I have posted the link directly as I'm not sure xxxx.com images are copyright? (later edit : this has been sorted so I have removed the link and posted the images directly ) Anyway the watch in question is from a private seller - the price isn't a bargain (like that other dude Premoon 64 recently just got from LA!) but it is reasonable.

I am just interested in authenticity. And whether the small defects (partic the dial, hands and bezel) if they are authentic....whether any flaws are at least redeemable (still keeping the originality of this watch)

Currently there is no Omega certificate on offer, but I have seen photos of the inside of the case back, movement and the serial and they match it being a '65. The movement looks legit. The watch will probably need a service though it is sold as working. I have the moon watch only ibook as a reference to check and I have been using this for months hunting an appropriate watch down... Anyway..

Here we go!

1/ Is the Dial original..Original tritium lume?
2/ Hands Original? Tritium? (The seller doesn't have a blue UV..so can't tell me)
3/ Clearly they have been painted but could these hands be restored ie repainted without the lume falling out?
4 / Crown and pushers look original to me.. am I correct?
5/ Bezel looks to me to be original?
6/ Case looks ok for the asking price?
7/ All Comments welcome before I pull the trigger!

Thanks!
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Well it’s reserved. So either you already pulled the trigger, or can’t.

Nobody can say for sure whether a handset or dial began its life together, unless they owned the watch since new. However in some cases one can get a good feeling that they did based on the overall look/condition of a watch/lume/patination and it’s parts. This is not one of those watches...and all the little blemishes on the dial (look at the lips of the sub-registers) make me weary and suspicious (afterall, a dial is encapsulated inside a metallic case and a plastic crystal in an environmentally procted space that should have only air particles from hand-movement wearing it down), and ghosts around the plots scream ‘relume’ to me. Not to mention that particular color being even all round dial and hands. My alarm bells are ringing and I would not consider this watch. At this point I don’t care to vet the rest (although the case too would put me off, but then I am a pedant).

People can paint hands without lume falling out...often though they end up touching the lume with paint (its a very small are we are talking about).

For your education here is a similar watch (that screams 'authentic/untouched') with original lume of a similar color, however with some differences. Can you spot them? Why do you think, based on what can be seen in the picture, this lume patinated to this color and this way?

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lexieb007 lexieb007
following the "Vintage Omega posting guide"

First rule of that guide is to post photographs, not just a link. 😗

Add photos and you’ll get more feedback 😉
 
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kov kov
First rule of that guide is to post photographs, not just a link. 😗

Add photos and you’ll get more feedback 😉
Are you allowed to repost xxx.com photos?
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Well it’s reserved. So either you already pulled the trigger, or can’t.

Nobody can say for sure whether a handset or dial began its life together, unless they owned the watch since new. However in some cases one can get a good feeling that they did based on the overall look/condition of a watch/lume/patination and it’s parts. This is not one of those watches...and all the little blemishes on the dial (look at the lips of the sub-registers) make me weary and suspicious (afterall, a dial is encapsulated inside a metallic case and a plastic crystal in an environmentally procted space that should have only air particles from hand-movement wearing it down), and ghosts around the plots scream ‘relume’ to me. Not to mention that particular color being even all round dial and hands. My alarm bells are ringing and I would not consider this watch. At this point I don’t care to vet the rest (although the case too would put me off, but then I am a pedant).

People can paint hands without lume falling out...often though they end up touching the lume with paint (its a very small are we are talking about).
Hey thanks for all this... This is why I love this forum... I have it on reserve but I aint going thru with the deal if it gets the thumbs down by all you gurus on Omega forums! That's for sure! So helpful. I am just after a no BS legit watch...Thanks!
 
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Are you allowed to repost chrono24 photos?

Yes. Now if you could be so kind as to download some full-res images from the C24 advert and add them to your original post, for posterity and those who may stumble on this thread after the C24 link is dead, that would be nice.
 
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In Chrome: click on the pic, then right click and save picture as
 
Passover
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Seems somewhere between "fair" and "good" so accordingly priced

All parts seem to be correct but -as pointed out before- that doesn't mean they started their live together

IMO to much wear
 
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Here you go photos added to OP....please keep the comments coming! Thanks!
 
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Seems somewhere between "fair" and "good" so accordingly priced

All parts seem to be correct but -as pointed out before- that doesn't mean they started their live together

IMO to much wear

"Seems somewhere between "fair" and "good" so accordingly priced"... fair enough I'll consult with the speedmaster.com guide..😀

"All parts seem to be correct but -as pointed out before- that doesn't mean they started their live together".. I'm still not sure why that is ...or how you actually tell that? 😕

"To much wear"... agree the back in particular.. but are not the edges sharp ....?? ie not much polishing?
 
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"To much wear"... agree the back in particular.. but are not the edges sharp ....?? ie not much polishing?
No, the case has definitely been polished imo, most have, but this looks a little soft for my liking. The case back isn’t bad though.
 
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No, the case has definitely been polished imo, most have, but this looks a little soft for my liking. The case back isn’t bad though.
Ok so I will take that as a +... what about those hands?... that is what I am really concerned about...
And I hate relumed dials...
I will not buy a relumed dial ...
 
lexieb007
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"all the little blemishes on the dial (look at the lips of the sub-registers) make me weary and suspicious (afterall, a dial is encapsulated inside a metallic case and a plastic crystal in an environmentally procted space that should have only air particles from hand-movement wearing it down), and ghosts around the plots scream ‘relume’ to me." This comment from EugeneAndresson re relume (if true) is a deal breaker... What is he referring to re the sub-register lips?
 
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I will not buy a relumed dial ...

You can ask the seller for a UV light shot. Or lume shot in the dark.

Chances are low that it keeps glowing if it was relumed.
 
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kov kov
You can ask the seller for a UV light shot. Or lume shot in the dark.

Chances are low that it keeps glowing if it was relumed.
I've done that. Sure. I get it. I asked him but he said he didn't have one.. I have my own UV light and a couple tritium Seikos and a T Rolex (So I know about this Tritium test) .. He's in Europe and I'm in Aus. It aint easy...
 
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What is he referring to re the sub-register lips?

The edge/lip of the subregister that makes a right angle where it sinks below the flat surface of the top of the dial. But that could just be the photos (which are terrible).
 
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lexieb007 lexieb007
I asked him but he said he didn't have one..

He surely has a flashlight.
He can make a lume shot in a dark room (I.e door & windows closed / light switched off)

Just use a flashlight for 20-30 seconds to expose the dial and make a picture right after switching off.

Every Speedmaster dial from that era will glow for some seconds and fade slowly.
 
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Great stuff guys... look I'm no tight A. I'm happy to wait and pay suitable coin for a legit watch..what would really peave me off though is if it's not legit. I hate fake parts or Omega service replacements and I particularly dislike relumed dials and non tritium hands on a tritium dial... I dont mind "soft cases"...If this watch I have found is all legit I am happy to run with it as long as I can sort those hands.... and maybe clean the dial up a bit? The aim would be to preserve it as authentic and genuine as possible. But it needs to start off that way... just my opinion on all this...
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kov
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Same procedure applies to hands. And they should glow and fade like the dial. 😀
 
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