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Longines dial question of redial

  1. setible Nov 4, 2023

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    hi, does this one looks like a redial to you?
    Also, the case is gold caped, but the logo puts it before 1951. Do you believe that is possible?
     
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  2. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Nov 4, 2023

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    Look like a cheap redial.
     
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  3. setible Nov 4, 2023

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    maybe the back of the case is of any help
     
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  4. Spruce Sunburst dial fan Nov 4, 2023

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  5. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Nov 4, 2023

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    I would want to see clearer photos of the dial. I do not recall seeing many similar examples (dial or case). Most somewhat similar examples have steel cases and dials with embossed hour markers. I imagine that the movement is a cal. 12.68Z. Can you clarify what you mean about the logo indicating that the watch is from before 1951? Do you have photos of the movement and inside of the case-back? Also, I would be curious to know in which country he watch is for sale. There seemed to be a demand for gold-plated Longines in Spain during the period.
     
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  6. setible Nov 5, 2023

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    Hi, the country for sell is Germany and it is not gold plated, but goldcap with a full gold ring bazel. The dial dont have the wing logo, thats why i say 1951 or prior... and, sadly, I dont have pictures of the movement.
     
  7. setible Nov 5, 2023

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    And it has 38 mm
     
  8. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Nov 5, 2023

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    Right, gold-capped, my mistake. Personally, I would not proceed with the purchase without seeing the movement, inside of the case-back, and a clearer photo of the dial. As I mentioned, this is not an especially common dial or case so it is not easy to compare with known correct examples.

    With regard to the absence of a winged-hourglass logo suggesting that the watch is from 1951 or earlier, I think that there are exceptions. Below is a ref. 5411 with serial number 8'242'478 that was invoiced to Wirth on 16 July 1952.

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  9. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 5, 2023

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    Gold-capped cases are uncommon for Longines, but they are out there. Here is one I use to own:

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    Your watch is probably also a 30L.

    I would like better photos, too, but I'm leaning toward yours being original.
     
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  10. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Nov 5, 2023

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    Thanks for sharing that beautiful example! If the watch in question does contain a cal. 30L, then the absence of a winged-hourglass logo would be surprising, don't you think?
     
  11. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Nov 5, 2023

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  12. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 5, 2023

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    I hadn't realized how ubiquitous the logo was on these 30L's until you mentioned it - but you're right. That's a bad sign. I was comparing the Longines and "Swiss" signatures and the subdial print, which all seem to match (at far as I can tell with these fuzzy photos). Good quality photos would help clear this up.
     
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  13. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Nov 5, 2023

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    A couple of points.

    The watch appears to have mirror-finish indices, and I actually see no reason to believe that it is a redial. And given what appears to be a very well-preserved case, why would a redial have been necessary?

    I'd need to see more, and better photos to firm up my opinion, but it looks good to me...
     
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  14. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 5, 2023

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    Yup, yup and yup!

    :thumbsup:
     
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  15. setible Nov 5, 2023

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    i cant get a movement picture, just this as a proof of the good state of the watch
     
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  16. Dan S Nov 5, 2023

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    Nothing is jumping out at me as wrong from those photos and my gut feeling is that the watch is ok. But I also wouldn't buy the watch based on those photos unless it was very cheap and I was in a gambling mood.
     
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  17. setible Jan 10, 2024

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    Hi, again!! I finally received a photo with the serial number of the movement and the backcase.
    The watch is from 1955 and the case reference (very very rare) is 4914 33 (with patent) with gold ring and goldcap.

    For me this means that the dial is either rewritten, either a replacement from a late 40s, early 50s other watch. I favor the second.
     
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  18. bardamu Jan 10, 2024

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    ...and another redial :)
     
  19. bardamu Jan 10, 2024

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    also late 50s...
     
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  20. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jan 10, 2024

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    I don't see any reason why the dial cannot be original. The gold-capped versions of this reference to appear to be very uncommon, but gold "mirror" indices, like those on the dial in question, would match perfectly. As for the style, there are similar ones in catalogues from the '50s, and here is a ref. 4914 that was sold on this forum:

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/lon...l-dial-price-reduced-to-950€-or-1-040.161886/

    It features applied indices, and a textured dial, but the basic style is quite similar.