Omega Constellation Ref. 2852 Two Line Dial Question

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Hi all,

Question on the 2852 reference. Been seeing a few with only automatic and chronometer lines.

Safe to assume a redial? I’d expect the officially certified and possible chronometre spelling?
 
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Check out The Forums Thread on ref 2852 or even google
 
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As far as I know the vast majority is with the RE spelling. But a few late examples have ER. There was an example posted somewhere in the middle of the aforementioned 2852 thread with the ER spelling.
 
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There was an example posted somewhere in the middle of the aforementioned 2852 thread with the ER spelling.
This is it:

This would be a very late Ref. 2852, at least a 16.5M serial number on a cal. 505 movement.
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This is it:

This would be a very late Ref. 2852, at least a 16.5M serial number on a cal. 505 movement.
gatorcpa
Thanks @gatorcpa . So they do exist. I guess as with most omega, never say never!
 
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This is it:

This would be a very late Ref. 2852, at least a 16.5M serial number on a cal. 505 movement.
gatorcpa
There’s this one from @hoipolloi too in this thread, although no info on the serial, but I would imagine it’s also a very late number.

 
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Thanks @gatorcpa . So they do exist. I guess as with most omega, never say never!
A word a caution on this one - I saw it auctioned on liveauctioneer last year, was supposedly sold and then reappeared shortly after at a lower (?) price on a website. It has been sitting there for a long time.

Not sure if there is anything wrong with the watch, or the website (which I had never come across)… or the price…

This was the item link in the auction, if you want to dig into it. https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/208424766

EDIT: just to add, one thing which raises questions about the watch in this thread is the distance between minute hashes and the piepan edge/facet. But if you’re interested, perhaps you can post better pics so it can be properly discussed.
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A word a caution on this one - I saw it auctioned on liveauctioneer last year, was supposedly sold and then reappeared shortly after at a lower (?) price on a website. It has been sitting there for a long time.

Not sure if there is anything wrong with the watch, or the website (which I had never come across)… or the price…

This was the item link in the auction, if you want to dig into it. https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/208424766
Not sure if the watch in your auction link is really the same watch. It seems to be a 3 line version, with rhodium plated markers. Not rose gold like OP’s watch.
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Not sure if the watch in your auction link is really the same watch. It seems to be a 3 line version, with rhodium plated markers. Not rose gold like OP’s watch.
gatorcpa
Apologies, the link doesn't seem to work correctly for past auctions. I think it's defaulting to another watch.

I logged into my account and this is what I get.

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/ite...lation-with-original-rolling-hills-estates-ca


Obviously it sold, but not really - given it was listed shortly after outside of the auction.
 
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The “ER” version can also be found with the full “OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED” line, as seen on my black-dial reference 2852. 🤩

 
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The “ER” version can also be found with the full “OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED” line, as seen on my black-dial reference 2852. 🤩

What’s the serial on this one?
 
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This is it:

This would be a very late Ref. 2852, at least a 16.5M serial number on a cal. 505 movement.
gatorcpa

As noted by the expert @gatorcpa, my watch may be a transitional example from the period when Omega decided to adopt the “ER” version but had not yet removed the additional “OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED” line.
 
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A word a caution on this one - I saw it auctioned on liveauctioneer last year, was supposedly sold and then reappeared shortly after at a lower (?) price on a website. It has been sitting there for a long time.

Not sure if there is anything wrong with the watch, or the website (which I had never come across)… or the price…

This was the item link in the auction, if you want to dig into it. https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/208424766

EDIT: just to add, one thing which raises questions about the watch in this thread is the distance between minute hashes and the piepan edge/facet. But if you’re interested, perhaps you can post better pics so it can be properly discussed.
Thanks for the information. I wasn’t interested in buying this particular example, just learning more because i was under the assumption they would all be three lined with chronometre spelling.
 
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Hi all, I wanted to add to this thread, as I’ve recently picked up a 2852 Constellation with two lines and “chromometer” spelling. I was satisfied it was a genuine and correct 2852 based in part on this thread and @hoipolloi ’s example mentioned above.

Having the watch in hand now I’m not quite sure what to make of it. It’s a 2852-16 SC with 505 movement and 16,517,xxx serial no. I have another 2852 (with a knackered dial) for comparison and it was immediately obvious that it’s not only the text that differs but also the case is noticeably different.

The other watch is 2852-9 SC with 15,835,xxx serial no.

Below is some photos for comparison with the two-line watch on the left in each:

Just looking at the cases. The first thing I notice on the two line watch is that the lugs are longer (~44mm vs 41mm Lug-to-lug). The watch on the right (and most 2852’s I’ve seen) has drilled lugs while the two-line watch does not.

The crowns are identical in shape/profile but the Omega logos differ. The crown on the two-line feels a bit off to me.

The case backs differ in profile with the steps/facets being of differing depths and diameter. The medallions appear identical apart from level of wear / polish.

Looking at the text itself. The printing is slightly heavier on the two-line watch than most 2852’s I’ve seen, but it compares well with 14381 examples. I.e. My New Omega 14381

And the casebacks and movements of both:


2852-16 (two-line):
It appears the rotor is a replacement and not correct for cal 505.

2852-9:


I don’t have great knowledge of the 14381, but it seems to me these two-line, “Chronometer” 2852s are very late in the run for the reference, and design elements that would be carried through to the incoming 14381 had started to show up. My watches aren’t the finest specimens though, so I would accept it could also just be a bit of a Frankenstein 🤷‍♂️. I’d be interested to hear the thoughts of more seasoned members.
 
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If I had to guess Omega’s thinking, I’d say they first experimented with the “ER” spelling in “CHRONOMETER” on the full three-line version, and later simplified it to the two-line “ER” version. Both variants seem to appear toward the later production period of reference 2852, with the final two-line version then continuing into reference 14381.
 
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Thanks, I think that is probably right. What surprised me is the difference in lugs and casebacks between two steel 2852s. Looking back through "Show me your 2852 Connie", I see that was also noted there with one of the two-line examples mentioned above in this thread:
I have steel 2852's in three versions, with drilled [2852-4, 2852-7] and undrilled [2852-15] lugs. I can supply more pictures if desired.
Unfortunately, I do not know the exact reference number of my gold plated 2852, but its drilled lugs looks exactly like the steel sisters.
2852-7 with bracelet, 2852-15 with strap:
 
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Thanks, I think that is probably right. What surprised me is the difference in lugs and casebacks between two steel 2852s. Looking back through "Show me your 2852 Connie", I see that was also noted there with one of the two-line examples mentioned above in this thread:

Yep, nothing to worry about. The cases differ significantly, actually. The shorter (and more common) version almost feels chubby compared to the longer example.