Longines dial question of redial

[setible]

hi, does this one looks like a redial to you?
Also, the case is gold caped, but the logo puts it before 1951. Do you believe that is possible?

 

[Larry S]

Look like a cheap redial.

 

[setible]

maybe the back of the case is of any help

 

[Spruce]

Larry S

Look like a cheap redial.

+ 1

 

[DirtyDozen12]

I would want to see clearer photos of the dial. I do not recall seeing many similar examples (dial or case). Most somewhat similar examples have steel cases and dials with embossed hour markers. I imagine that the movement is a cal. 12.68Z. Can you clarify what you mean about the logo indicating that the watch is from before 1951? Do you have photos of the movement and inside of the case-back? Also, I would be curious to know in which country he watch is for sale. There seemed to be a demand for gold-plated Longines in Spain during the period.

 

[setible]

Hi, the country for sell is Germany and it is not gold plated, but goldcap with a full gold ring bazel. The dial dont have the wing logo, thats why i say 1951 or prior... and, sadly, I dont have pictures of the movement.

 

[setible]

And it has 38 mm

 

[DirtyDozen12]

Right, gold-capped, my mistake. Personally, I would not proceed with the purchase without seeing the movement, inside of the case-back, and a clearer photo of the dial. As I mentioned, this is not an especially common dial or case so it is not easy to compare with known correct examples.

With regard to the absence of a winged-hourglass logo suggesting that the watch is from 1951 or earlier, I think that there are exceptions. Below is a ref. 5411 with serial number 8'242'478 that was invoiced to Wirth on 16 July 1952.

 

[Modest_Proposal]

DirtyDozen12

I do not recall seeing many similar examples (dial or case).

Gold-capped cases are uncommon for Longines, but they are out there. Here is one I use to own:



Your watch is probably also a 30L.

I would like better photos, too, but I'm leaning toward yours being original.

 

[DirtyDozen12]

Modest_Proposal

Gold-capped cases are uncommon for Longines, but they are out there. Here is one I use to own:

Thanks for sharing that beautiful example! If the watch in question does contain a cal. 30L, then the absence of a winged-hourglass logo would be surprising, don't you think?

 

[DirtyDozen12]

P.S. Here is another gold-capped cal. 30L. The case design looks quite similar, including the finishing on the case-back (i.e., polished perimeter and linear brushing in the center). The reference is 7175.

Source: https://omegaforums.net/threads/thoughts-on-this-rare-30l.102573/

 

[Modest_Proposal]

DirtyDozen12

Thanks for sharing that beautiful example! If the watch in question does contain a cal. 30L, then the absence of a winged-hourglass logo would be surprising, don't you think?

I hadn't realized how ubiquitous the logo was on these 30L's until you mentioned it - but you're right. That's a bad sign. I was comparing the Longines and "Swiss" signatures and the subdial print, which all seem to match (at far as I can tell with these fuzzy photos). Good quality photos would help clear this up.

 

[Tony C.]

A couple of points.

The watch appears to have mirror-finish indices, and I actually see no reason to believe that it is a redial. And given what appears to be a very well-preserved case, why would a redial have been necessary?

I'd need to see more, and better photos to firm up my opinion, but it looks good to me...

 

[Modest_Proposal]

Tony C.

A couple of points.

The watch appears to have mirror-finish indices, and I actually see no reason to believe that it is a redial. And given what appears to be a very well-preserved case, why would a redial have been necessary?

I'd need to see more, and better photos to firm up my opinion, but it looks good to me...

Yup, yup and yup!

👍

 

[setible]

i cant get a movement picture, just this as a proof of the good state of the watch

 

[Dan S]

Nothing is jumping out at me as wrong from those photos and my gut feeling is that the watch is ok. But I also wouldn't buy the watch based on those photos unless it was very cheap and I was in a gambling mood.

 

[setible]

Hi, again!! I finally received a photo with the serial number of the movement and the backcase.
The watch is from 1955 and the case reference (very very rare) is 4914 33 (with patent) with gold ring and goldcap.

For me this means that the dial is either rewritten, either a replacement from a late 40s, early 50s other watch. I favor the second.

 

[bardamu]

DirtyDozen12

P.S. Here is another gold-capped cal. 30L.

...and another redial 😀

 

[bardamu]

S setible

Hi, again!! I finally received a photo with the serial number of the movement and the backcase.
The watch is from 1955 and the case reference (very very rare) is 4914 33 (with patent) with gold ring and goldcap.

For me this means that the dial is either rewritten, either a replacement from a late 40s, early 50s other watch. I favor the second.

+1
also late 50s...

 

[Tony C.]

S setible

The watch is from 1955 and the case reference (very very rare) is 4914 33 (with patent) with gold ring and goldcap.

For me this means that the dial is either rewritten, either a replacement from a late 40s, early 50s other watch. I favor the second.

I don't see any reason why the dial cannot be original. The gold-capped versions of this reference to appear to be very uncommon, but gold "mirror" indices, like those on the dial in question, would match perfectly. As for the style, there are similar ones in catalogues from the '50s, and here is a ref. 4914 that was sold on this forum:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/lon...l-dial-price-reduced-to-950€-or-1-040.161886/

It features applied indices, and a textured dial, but the basic style is quite similar.