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LeonDeBayonne
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I saw both Seamaster 300 and Railmaster 60th Anniversary LE in my AD’s window. Looks like it is not moving as fast as we would like to think. Too many pieces perhaps, or pricing issue?

Imho, I believe that there are 3 reasons for this :
1 - Pricing as you said. The speedmaster could have been priced higher given what it is ; the seamaster is priced correctly but is not cheap and I find the railmaster to be a bit expensive (3 hand watch that cannot be used everywhere - e.g. you can't swim with it).
2 - The supply : too many watches for a "limited" edition : 3557 + the sets.
3 - The supply again : too many new releases at Omega.

That being said, I am a strong believer that the trilogy will stand out in the future as "must have" watches for Omega aficionados. Therefore, I would not care much if some are still available. I rather see it as an opportunity for the "late entrants".
 
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AD in my city also has the '57 Railmaster and Seamaster. I am not sure about the Speedmaster. I will post picture later
 
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Railmaster and Seamaster seem readily available at OB's I've visited lately.

However I've not seen a Speedmaster and when I tried to join the waiitng list at the start of this year I was told they'd stopped taking names as the list was too long!
 
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Railmaster and Seamaster seem readily available at OB's I've visited lately.

However I've not seen a Speedmaster and when I tried to join the waiitng list at the start of this year I was told they'd stopped taking names as the list was too long!

The same persons putting their names at multiple stores...that's why
 
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I don't know how this works but can't AD also put in requests just to have nice things in the window to draw in customers?
 
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I've seen the Railmaster 60th Anniversary LE in literally every Omega boutique I've visited over the past year or so. I'm shocked you can still find a trilogy set that hasn't spoken for. But having said that, I would never buy one because of the how Omega put the issue number on the dial. Omega often does something like that, or for example adding the 007 to she second hand, which mars the elegance of their special editions, unfortunately, and that could be a big reason so many of them stay unsold for as long as they do.

Also saw the very expensive Aqua Terra Worldtimer in the Dubai and Vancouver botiques during the past three months.
 
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LeonDeBayonne LeonDeBayonne
I find the railmaster to be a bit expensive (3 hand watch that cannot be used everywhere - e.g. you can't swim with it).

Not sure where you heard that you can't swim with a Railmaster, but it's rated for 150m, so it's perfectly fine for swimming...
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My personal view on the Trilogy watches, is that the railmaster is the best value, the most attractive, and the one that will likely be most desirable in years to come.

Time will tell.

And as to the shock and awe that lots of LE's are easily available... come on guys... were suspicious of private sellers of watches using smoke and mirrors to sell... we should be doubly suspicious of brands.

Look at all the old LEs that sat, and often still do sit, unsold in OB safes.

There are at least 2 Speedmaster 50th full big box sets still in London boutiques... 10 years after they went on sale.

There were still a couple of Alaska projects floating around London OBs in 2016... 8 years after that watch went on sale.

Don't believe the hype. 😉
 
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Al, I think @LeonDeBayonne meant the 60th LE Railmaster (220.10.38.20.01.002) which is 6 bar/60m. You are spot on the that non-LE Railmaster is rated at 150m.

For me the 60th LE RM is more of a dress/casual watch with its shiny 38mm case and elegant case. The chunky brushed 40mm non-LE case is clearly more sporty. I think both ratings are 100% consistent with the watch designs.
 
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I don't know about you guys, but when I swim my arms are not so long that the watch goes more then 60m below the surface.
 
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I don't know about you guys, but when I swim my arms are not so long that the watch goes more then 60m below the surface.

Agreed, but please do not start another one of those "can I swim with my watch discussions"?😀

Just thought I would add a short cut quickly to herd that off ASAP:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/pressure-testing-a-watchco-sm300.45375/

Oh and BTW if your post was an implicit reply to my correction on the Railmaster LE 60th rating, my comment was purely informative on the relative ratings of the watches and not whether you could swim with the Railmaster LE.

Omega does not help either calling the new non-LE Railmaster a Seamaster Railmaster (possibly one of the more stupid names in their catalogues)😁
 
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I don't know about you guys, but when I swim my arms are not so long that the watch goes more then 60m below the surface.

Actually swimming (crawl) generates the pressure equivalent of 3-to-5 ATM (30 to 50 meters if you prefer). So it is not only a question of depth. It is also a question of what you do in the water.

A watch with a water resistance of 5 ATM is not made to go under water for long.
 
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LeonDeBayonne LeonDeBayonne
Actually swimming (crawl) generates the pressure equivalent of 3-to-5 ATM (30 to 50 meters if you prefer). So it is not only a question of depth. It is also a question of what you do in the water.

A watch with a water resistance of 5 ATM is not made to go under water for long.

Please post your calculations. The last set that I saw done on the "dynamic pressure" myth pretty much debunked the idea that you can move your arms fast enough to increase3 the pressure more than a fraction of the depth rating, so I look forward to seeing your numbers.

Cheers, Al
 
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Al, I think @LeonDeBayonne meant the 60th LE Railmaster (220.10.38.20.01.002) which is 6 bar/60m. You are spot on the that non-LE Railmaster is rated at 150m.

For me the 60th LE RM is more of a dress/casual watch with its shiny 38mm case and elegant case. The chunky brushed 40mm non-LE case is clearly more sporty. I think both ratings are 100% consistent with the watch designs.

Thanks - I didn't realize they had different ratings for the trilogy vs the regular non-trilogy new Railmasters...but of course 60m is still fine for swimming in the real world...
 
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Please post your calculations. The last set that I saw done on the "dynamic pressure" myth pretty much debunked the idea that you can move your arms fast enough to increase3 the pressure more than a fraction of the depth rating, so I look forward to seeing your numbers.

Cheers, Al

I do not have any calculation. It comes directly from the repair guys at Omega Saint Honoré in Paris and Omega Opera in Paris. Please feel free to call them.

You can also take a minute (before replying in 2 sec) and think about the difference of a watch that does not move into water and the other one that suffers rapid movement under water. If you think the 2 bears the same pressure then show your calculations.
 
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LeonDeBayonne LeonDeBayonne
I do not have any calculation. It comes directly from the repair guys at Omega Saint Honoré in Paris and Omega Opera in Paris. Please feel free to call them.

You can also take a minute (before replying in 2 sec) and think about the difference of a watch that does not move into water and the other one that suffers rapid movement under water. If you think the 2 bears the same pressure then show your calculations.

The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim - for clarification that would be you.
 
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The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim - for clarification that would be you.

I'll be happy to search for scientific evidence Archer. At this stage I just conveyed what I was told by 2 watch servicers at 2 different Omega stores. The discussion came as I asked if I could swim with my railmaster and the answers I got was : preferably not with the explanation mentioned above.
 
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LeonDeBayonne LeonDeBayonne
I'll be happy to search for scientific evidence Archer. At this stage I just conveyed what I was told by 2 watch servicers at 2 different Omega stores. The discussion came as I asked if I could swim with my railmaster and the answers I got was : preferably not with the explanation mentioned above.

Let me help you with that...

https://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/sigh-myth-busting-again-610734.html

If you can provide calculations to counter what's there, I'll be happy to take a look. Unfortunately "thinking for a minute" is not a substitute for doing the math...at least none of my math/physics/engineering profs would take it as a substitute. 😉

Cheers, Al
 
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hearsay vs. math.
I choose math but that is my opinion 😉
 
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Thanks - I didn't realize they had different ratings for the trilogy vs the regular non-trilogy new Railmasters...but of course 60m is still fine for swimming in the real world...
Indeed...and I would say even for WIS orangutans...who do have rather long arms😁
 
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