Lemania Military Chronographs

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I also know very little about Lemania but I just picked up I what I believe is a pilots watch. It's 50mm in diameter single button chronograph. The movement is angled for what I assume is ease of reading. The crown is extended away from the case and not sure if it was that way when it originally left the factory. I can see where it was extended for ease of winding I assume. There is no sign of corrosion but I don't think the case is made of stainless, perhaps brass and nickle plate? the case in numbered 131528 but no other identification. Also has fixed lugs.
The gilt movement is unsigned and has a serial number 189952 and runs great.
It has an enamel dial which has some small hairlines under the bezel. with the bezel one you cannot see them. The Breguet hands appear to enameled or a very thick paint job, never seen any like it before.

I guess my questions are
1) is This a Lemania Movement and if so when would it have been made.
2) Was it common for cases and movements not be signed during this time period.
3) Does my assumption of the case material being nickle plated brass?
4) My assumption that this is a pilots watch appear to be correct?

Thanks for any help you can give me with this..

The good part first: It’s a Lemania movement.
Cal 19.



The not so good part is that this watch movement was originally installed in a pocket watch case.
Someone have fitted/converted it into a wristwatch case and sold it as a pilots watch.
These “conversions “ are very common. Sellers, especially in the former east block countries, are pumping these out.

Lemania never fitted these movements in wristwatches of any sorts.
For pilots they used their cal 15 movements mostly.

To your questions:
I guess my questions are
1) is This a Lemania Movement and if so when would it have been made.
1930s-40s.

2) Was it common for cases and movements not be signed during this time period.
No. Your case is not original to the watch

3) Does my assumption of the case material being nickle plated brass?
It could be.

4) My assumption that this is a pilots watch appear to be correct?
No. It has been converted from a pocket watch into something people of lesser moral is selling as Pilots Watches.
They are not.
 
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Wow, thank you for your technical expertise. It is unfortunate that it's a totally married piece, it seemed such a cool piece.
I guess I will enjoy it for what it is (Lemania movement and dial) and maybe make a desk clock out of it. I really enjoy the look of the dial and a single button chrono.
I guess it's making lemonade out of lemons.
 
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Wow, thank you for your technical expertise. It is unfortunate that it's a totally married piece, it seemed such a cool piece.
I guess I will enjoy it for what it is (Lemania movement and dial) and maybe make a desk clock out of it. I really enjoy the look of the dial and a single button chrono.
I guess it's making lemonade out of lemons.
I'd trust @Northernman on his assessment. My main knowledge is with wristwatches so wasn't really sure of what is what for pocketwatches. However, I am glad you have takin' it on the chin. Rolled with the punches, now that you have a great looking dial and movement. I truly hope you make the most out of it. Welcome to the fold of the Lemania fans.
Please just start a thread when you spot something or alternatively start reading here on OF there are going to a fair few threads with Lemania info in. Another good forum for Lemanias is over at atgvintagewatches.com. If in doubt just ask. Vintage watches are tricky so more than one set of eyes is advisable.

Cheers and always looking to learning more about Lemanias
Pat
 
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I am an impulsive buyer at times and when I saw this dial I really liked it. I didn't pay very much for it so for me it was very little risk. It's great to have the OF, as a resource, there are many members (Northernman) who are very generous with their knowledge and it's a great source for information. Kudos to all that participate..
 
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RAF I believe yes. Google Lemania and Viggen to see what they came up with in Sweden a bit later!😵‍💫
I still have two kidneys. I only need one Viggen 🙄
There was a Viggen up for grabs in the private sales section.
 
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Do you know what happened to it Pat 🍿
Presume he still has it. You could check wruw wow etc. Or simpler still drop him a pm. Great example at errm, I can say it, coz, well you know😉... great price....

P
 
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Yes that was it. VGC.
Truly ridiculous condition. 1st batch with everything apart from really cool fighter plane.
 
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Love the military issued Lemania watches. The ones made for the Swedish army (such as the "Viggen" or TG-195) have gone up in price a LOT in recent years. Highly sought-after.
 
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hmmm Lamania 5100 military issue you say....

This one heading on the site soon for sale. Made in 1987 and a prototype running a Lemania 5100. If anyone is interested lemme know. Have the supporting docs from when it was conceived.

Will need a service as it has hour creep. Other than that it is MINT and has sat in a collection for years.

 
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Two of my favorites...

The Tg 195 is technically not a chrono though.
 
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I had a monopusher British military. Probably the watch I regret selling most.
 
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Some Lemania in my collection.
This collection deserves a lot of appreciation, f*ck me, that's some really nice watches
 
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This collection deserves a lot of appreciation, f*ck me, that's some really nice watches
+1 🥰