Just thinking on-line: anyone shorting their watches?

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For a few years now I got the habit of buying 18k gold pocket watches that were otherwise condemned to be scrapped for their gold value, almost nobody wants those things anymore. I only bought nice repairable things, that I did not want to end up destroyed. It turns out it may not be a bad strategy...
 
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I come from a family of gold bugs (grandfather and uncles were goldsmiths), and there were many attempts to make a lot of money on gold. Grandpa also got creamed in the 80s at the top - he was good at jewelry but terrible at investing. My dad, on the other hand, hates investing but bought a lot of gold at $400/oz about 15 years ago and sold at $1600 and it's given him a comfortable retirement. I guess my point is that gold is a little bit random and doesn't totally follow market logic.

Investing in gold still should still follow the rule of “Buy low, sell high” though. Your grandpa and my dad did not follow this advise and bought too late, but your dad did and did well. That was the point of my original reply - anyone thinking of buying gold today at $2k an ounce and thinking it will go to $5k in any reasonable period is betting against the history of gold trends. Now is the time to sell gold that was bought at a cheaper price (or scrap old jewelry), not buy it.
 
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Investing in gold still should still follow the rule of “Buy low, sell high” though. Your grandpa and my dad did not follow this advise and bought too late, but your dad did and did well. That was the point of my original reply - anyone thinking of buying gold today at $2k an ounce and thinking it will go to $5k in any reasonable period is betting against the history of gold trends. Now is the time to sell gold that was bought at a cheaper price (or scrap old jewelry), not buy it.
Everything you say is true unless the fiat currencies lose credibility. It's not just the Fed sweating over their rows of gestetner machines into the small hours. Even the Thai Central Bank who should know better after 1999 are printing printing printing!
 
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Well, I dunno, is it? You've got yr 2 watches back again plus however many ounces as profit. I'd sleep ok.

Has your outlook on this strategy changed at all?
 
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Buy and hold tritium Speedmaster Professionals and over time you shall be rewarded.
 
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Has your outlook on this strategy changed at all?

Interesting that I was speaking with someone yesterday who had read some book arguing that gold would hit $10k an ounce, and countries will be looking to go back to the gold standard in the future...
 
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Interesting that I was speaking with someone yesterday who had read some book arguing that gold would hit $10k an ounce, and countries will be looking to go back to the gold standard in the future...

Lots of books like that are out there. They come out every few years since the 1980s by self-proclaimed experts. The authors make a lot of money selling to people’s fears of a looming economic collapse. The people buying gold are losing money. The “experts” have never been right.

I just looked up the change in the price of gold since this thread started to today. Looks like it has fallen by about 10%. No way it is getting to $5k (let alone $10k an ounce) in our lifetimes.

If the global economic meltdown these authors always prophesizes happens, no one is going to be buying/selling gold; they are going to be worried where their next meal is coming from.
 
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Good to see this thread still going, and not any further from its destination than before. Meanwhile, watch prices have been going up. I hope Philip didn't lose his Omegas. Or worse, shortselling Omegas to finance his pile of gold!? Although, now that I wrote it, it seems like a completely valid hedge fund strategy....
 
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Good to see this thread still going, and not any further from its destination than before. Meanwhile, watch prices have been going up. I hope Philip didn't lose his Omegas. Or worse, shortselling Omegas to finance his pile of gold!? Although, now that I wrote it, it seems like a completely valid hedge fund strategy....

In the end I kept the watches just because of the hassle of selling. However had I found prompt buyers and so on, sold them and bought gold it would have brought in an interesting amount of ounces at the time which in turn would have generated a small loss as somebody said as of now. But the upside is still there. How would everyone have reacted to the idea of buying bitcoin?
Gold is like the sea beating against the JP Morgan beach, slowly eating into it until all that illegal sand gets washed away!
 
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But the upside is still there. How would everyone have reacted to the idea of buying bitcoin?

This thread continues to age poorly. Alas, I'm compelled to check in every time I hear random mention of pyramids 😁
 
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fυck all this... I'm sticking with silk worms and peppercorns.

And goats. Lots of goats.
 
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fυck all this... I'm sticking with silk worms and peppercorns.

And goats. Lots of goats.

I hear that tulips are a good investment.
 
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I did the math. When the OP posted in September 2020, gold was $1,943 per ounce. Today, it's $1,994 per ounce. That's a 2.6% increase.

I'm cherry-picking a bit, but: let's say you owned a Rolex "Hulk". Chrono24 estimates it was worth around $19K in late 2020, and around $22K today. That's a ~15% increase. This would have been a losing bet for the OP.

He'd have made 17% + dividends if he tossed the money into the S&P 500. So, the bet would have paid off a little if he'd been into index funds instead of gold.
 
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Short term predictions range from 2k +(just by year's end) through 5 k in 2021 and on up to 10k, 20k, even 100k per ounce depending on if & how many countries adopt a gold backed digital currency and the gold percentage required, some say 40 pct.
So as you can see now the 5 k prediction is conservative.


Love reading posts a few years back by the investment gurus

So near mid 2023 and gold is just under $2k
 
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Love reading posts a few years back by the investment gurus

So near mid 2023 and gold is just under $2k

And this is during the fear of inflation and risk in equities. If it isn't higher now it's hard to imagine what it'll take to get to 5k.

I confess to selling gold coins for $1400 (2019ish?). It was a brief blip and my local gold guy had to hold them for awhile to be back in the money. I didn't anticipate Covid, even though it's every gold owner's wet dream. But owning gold is such a negative head space. It's like constantly rooting for the devil.
 
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I did the math. When the OP posted in September 2020, gold was $1,943 per ounce. Today, it's $1,994 per ounce. That's a 2.6% increase.

I'm cherry-picking a bit, but: let's say you owned a Rolex "Hulk". Chrono24 estimates it was worth around $19K in late 2020, and around $22K today. That's a ~15% increase. This would have been a losing bet for the OP.

He'd have made 17% + dividends if he tossed the money into the S&P 500. So, the bet would have paid off a little if he'd been into index funds instead of gold.

But could he actually sell the Hulk for the $22k and recognize all the profit? If he was a dealer, sure. But if he has no experience in selling, or a reputation, who is going to buy from him at the same price they can get one from a known and respected dealer? He’d have to offer it at a better price. And, if he’s selling it via an online platform, fees will eat into his profit. Might be lucky to break even.

Gold and index funds are much more liquid, with fewer hiccups in the transaction for an “off the street” seller. The gains over time are more realistic and can actually be realized by the normal person. Unless you are an dealer, the only way to make a profit on a Rolex is to buy a hot one at MSRP and immediately flip it to a reseller, who will then jack up the price even more.

Which is exactly why Rolex prices are hyper-inflated on the secondary market.
 
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For a few years now I got the habit of buying 18k gold pocket watches that were otherwise condemned to be scrapped for their gold value, almost nobody wants those things anymore. I only bought nice repairable things, that I did not want to end up destroyed. It turns out it may not be a bad strategy...



I don't think my strategy aged badly. I feel better parking some little cash that was not needed at the moment in gold watches that letting it evaporate in bank accounts.