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CalLeach
·Have to agree with the overall opinion. If it had sentimental value then definitely be worth the time and effort to take on the project.
Just bought a 105.003 and need some help...
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codingcpa
·Thanks all for your advice.
This will probably disappoint the vintage crowd, but I've decided to keep the watch and just get full omega service on it (service dial and service hands, and maybe service bezel). The dial already seems garbage so I hope no one sees it as a desecration of a vintage piece...
I just do not have the resources to do a full vintage restoration and will settle for having a newish looking straight lug speedy with 321 movement for ~$5K total which really doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
It'll be my personal watch and my son can deal with all the service part inaccuracies when he inherits it many years from now...
Anyways, thanks everyone!
This will probably disappoint the vintage crowd, but I've decided to keep the watch and just get full omega service on it (service dial and service hands, and maybe service bezel). The dial already seems garbage so I hope no one sees it as a desecration of a vintage piece...
I just do not have the resources to do a full vintage restoration and will settle for having a newish looking straight lug speedy with 321 movement for ~$5K total which really doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
It'll be my personal watch and my son can deal with all the service part inaccuracies when he inherits it many years from now...
Anyways, thanks everyone!
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bazelot
·please post pics after the service, it would be interesting to see how it turns out.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderA genuine Omega Service, with the parts they will want to replace, may well be more expensive than you might think
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!A genuine Omega Service, with the parts they will want to replace, may well be more expensive than you might think
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JwRosenthal
·Exactly my thoughts. Bearing in mind this is a Bienne service only model which needs several parts which incur additional charges, I'd be surprised if the quote gives much change from $2K, and it may be worse if they put their finger in the air and think of a number. If you are really unlucky, they may quote this under their restoration price which is more expensive still. Their fixed price servicing isn't really fixed price...
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SOG53
·What happened to the return plan?
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Noob tax paid. We’ve all been there although this is a spectacular example. Return it or sell it for parts and start over by learning what good looks like here and Speedmaster 101. OF is also the safest place to buy btw.
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JwRosenthal
·Noob tax paid. We’ve all been there although this is a spectacular example. Return it or sell it for parts and start over by learning what good looks like here and Speedmaster 101. OF is also the safest place to buy btw.
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masteroftime
·Thanks all for your advice.
This will probably disappoint the vintage crowd, but I've decided to keep the watch and just get full omega service on it (service dial and service hands, and maybe service bezel). The dial already seems garbage so I hope no one sees it as a desecration of a vintage piece...
I just do not have the resources to do a full vintage restoration and will settle for having a newish looking straight lug speedy with 321 movement for ~$5K total which really doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
It'll be my personal watch and my son can deal with all the service part inaccuracies when he inherits it many years from now...
Anyways, thanks everyone!
While I don’t think OP’s route is the worst option, I do think there is a tacit assumption that Omega will certainly service/restore this.
These watches have to be sent back to Bienne to be serviced. I’ve seen them reject watches for relatively minor things that impact their ability to warranty the service. By the time this gets to HQ and a service estimate is issued, the return window will likely have closed. At the price paid, this is a relatively big gamble.
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JwRosenthal
·While I don’t think OP’s route is the worst option, I do think there is a tacit assumption that Omega will certainly service/restore this.
These watches have to be sent back to Bienne to be serviced. I’ve seen them reject watches for relatively minor things that impact their ability to warranty the service. By the time this gets to HQ and a service estimate is issued, the return window will likely have closed. At the price paid, this is a relatively big gamble.
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JwRosenthal
·I agree this isn’t a watch you should have bought but if these are the sellers pictures the condition of the wqtxh is clear to see and although the seller may have to accept a return I think it’s slightly unfair on the seller.
These kind of questions and research should really be done before bidding, not after.
But if a seller listed a watch in earnest, wasn’t deceptive in any way and had “no returns”- why should the seller be responsible for someone’s buyers remorse (doing their research after the fact)? If this happened to any of us we would be livid (and we have had our faired share of threads in this topic).
The hand popping off in shipping is a valid reason for return if that were the sole reason we were advising the OP to return it. But in this case- the seller would have to eat the costs involved with return shipping, and relist the watch which we all know is usually seen as a red flag (thus reducing the pool or prospective buyers) and sell it at a further discount now due to the hand being off (or pay to have that repaired).
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NotJackson
·This is a really valid point and gave me pause for thought over the last few days. We commonly advise people who bought a dog to try and return it. If a seller has returns accepted- no questions asked, then that’s fine.
But if a seller listed a watch in earnest, wasn’t deceptive in any way and had “no returns”- why should the seller be responsible for someone’s buyers remorse (doing their research after the fact)? If this happened to any of us we would be livid (and we have had our faired share of threads in this topic).
The hand popping off in shipping is a valid reason for return if that were the sole reason we were advising the OP to return it. But in this case- the seller would have to eat the costs involved with return shipping, and relist the watch which we all know is usually seen as a red flag (thus reducing the pool or prospective buyers) and sell it at a further discount now due to the hand being off (or pay to have that repaired).
Interesting you should bring this up, as I have been thinking about it also — the general idea of “what is serious enough to warrant a return?”
In this case, I think the hand coming off is kind of borderline … it probably speaks to either poor packaging or a defect with the watch. Maybe the seller takes it back, or maybe he pays to have it repaired, e.g. the buyer and seller reach agreement on some sort of refund payment. But I agree with your basic premise … if the item is fairly photographed and described, buyer’s remorse shouldn’t be grounds for a return.
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RevZMan123
·This is a really valid point and gave me pause for thought over the last few days. We commonly advise people who bought a dog to try and return it. If a seller has returns accepted- no questions asked, then that’s fine.
But if a seller listed a watch in earnest, wasn’t deceptive in any way and had “no returns”- why should the seller be responsible for someone’s buyers remorse (doing their research after the fact)? If this happened to any of us we would be livid (and we have had our faired share of threads in this topic).
The hand popping off in shipping is a valid reason for return if that were the sole reason we were advising the OP to return it. But in this case- the seller would have to eat the costs involved with return shipping, and relist the watch which we all know is usually seen as a red flag (thus reducing the pool or prospective buyers) and sell it at a further discount now due to the hand being off (or pay to have that repaired).
Under the tradition of MAZAL, this would be a no go then. (Funny as this came up in another watch group chat today)
Buyer's remorse doesn't count after you've made an honest deal. Barring both sides are being honest, naturally.
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apsm100
··Noob taxpayerMy noob tax was a $500 (undisclosed) redialed big hippo Seamaster which I ended up selling (disclosed) for what I paid (it was really pretty) and keeping the factory BOR that came on it. I guess I should consider myself lucky.
I've been at this for close to 8 years and I am still paying a yearly noob tax. 😗
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JwRosenthal
·Under the tradition of MAZAL, this would be a no go then. (Funny as this came up in another watch group chat today)
Buyer's remorse doesn't count after you've made an honest deal. Barring both sides are being honest, naturally.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Hands falling off are grounds for return. Buyer ignorance is not.
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codingcpa
·I had no idea service could be rejected sigh.. I guess I will find out, but good to know and not be surprised if it happens so thanks for the heads up. If omega rejects, I will just take it to a local watchmaker and get the hour chrono hand reattached.
Honestly though, once the hand is attached I will wear it and be happy to keep it. The movement works, chrono is working (minus the one hand that fell off), and it is keeping decent time as well (lost about 1 minute over 3 days). The only thing I would love to eventually replace would be the dial and I would be fine with service or even incorrect dial.
Crap dial, wrong hands, maybe wrong pushers and crown, way overpolished case... but at least it runs and the 321 start/stop pusher just feels so nice to click and it was the cheapest straight lug 321 I could find. it's a very expensive mistake but I can live with it.
I'll keep the thread updated on Omega service once I get that ball rolling. Thanks all!
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Oh also, the seller offered full refund for return or a partial refund of $125 to keep and get the hand fixed which was nice of him. I didn't think I would come across a running 105.003 again for less than $4k which is the reason I decided to keep it even with all its issues.
Honestly though, once the hand is attached I will wear it and be happy to keep it. The movement works, chrono is working (minus the one hand that fell off), and it is keeping decent time as well (lost about 1 minute over 3 days). The only thing I would love to eventually replace would be the dial and I would be fine with service or even incorrect dial.
Crap dial, wrong hands, maybe wrong pushers and crown, way overpolished case... but at least it runs and the 321 start/stop pusher just feels so nice to click and it was the cheapest straight lug 321 I could find. it's a very expensive mistake but I can live with it.
I'll keep the thread updated on Omega service once I get that ball rolling. Thanks all!
family shot:
Oh also, the seller offered full refund for return or a partial refund of $125 to keep and get the hand fixed which was nice of him. I didn't think I would come across a running 105.003 again for less than $4k which is the reason I decided to keep it even with all its issues.
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JwRosenthal
·I had no idea service could be rejected sigh.. I guess I will find out, but good to know and not be surprised if it happens so thanks for the heads up. If omega rejects, I will just take it to a local watchmaker and get the hour chrono hand reattached.
Honestly though, once the hand is attached I will wear it and be happy to keep it. The movement works, chrono is working (minus the one hand that fell off), and it is keeping decent time as well (lost about 1 minute over 3 days). The only thing I would love to eventually replace would be the dial and I would be fine with service or even incorrect dial.
Crap dial, wrong hands, maybe wrong pushers and crown, way overpolished case... but at least it runs and the 321 start/stop pusher just feels so nice to click and it was the cheapest straight lug 321 I could find. it's a very expensive mistake but I can live with it.
I'll keep the thread updated on Omega service once I get that ball rolling. Thanks all!
family shot:
Oh also, the seller offered full refund for return or a partial refund of $125 to keep and get the hand fixed which was nice of him. I didn't think I would come across a running 105.003 again for less than $4k which is the reason I decided to keep it even with all its issues.
FWIW, all the parts you need do pop up here from time to time. have seen all except the midcase at one time or another in the parts for sale section here (including nice backs) from well respected members. If omega rejects it (or if you decide to do the slow-ride) making it a pet-passion project could be very rewarding if you don’t burn out on it first. And a skilled watchmaker should be able to lap the case and get sharper lines. You would lose material but the case would look factory. Or if you wanted to say fυck it and throw money at it you could have it laser welded with new material.
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Thanks all for your advice.
This will probably disappoint the vintage crowd, but I've decided to keep the watch and just get full omega service on it (service dial and service hands, and maybe service bezel). The dial already seems garbage so I hope no one sees it as a desecration of a vintage piece...
I just do not have the resources to do a full vintage restoration and will settle for having a newish looking straight lug speedy with 321 movement for ~$5K total which really doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.
It'll be my personal watch and my son can deal with all the service part inaccuracies when he inherits it many years from now...
Anyways, thanks everyone!
My noob tax was a $500 (undisclosed) redialed big hippo Seamaster which I ended up selling (disclosed) for what I paid (it was really pretty) and keeping the factory BOR that came on it. I guess I should consider myself lucky.
