Is this watch real or fake thread - aka Fake Busters!!

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Sorry if I wasn't clear with my question. A normal date movement just advances date to 31 and then 1 again so the date needs to be adjusted at the start of a new month after a 30 or shorter days month. On an Annual Calendar movement, it knows to advance an additional day when ending a shorter days month into a new month. Like in the case of Deville Annual Calendar.
Basically, I'm wondering if any of you have seen a fake that is capable of replicating the functions of a more complicated movement like Annual Calender or even its bigger brother Perpetual Calendar?
 
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Hello all!

I bought this watch a few years ago from a reputable seller on eBay but lately have been worried it was a fake. I apologize if the photos aren't the greatest, still trying to figure out how best to shoot the watch to get clear bright shots without washing out the photo.

@Grunka-lunka didn't look closely. Your watch 100% is a fake. You can clearly see the second/real balance adjuster of the Chinese movement. It also should have raised flags to you that your serial number 87688333 shows a lot of hits for replicas on Google search.


 
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Wholly Cow Meme-Dweller! You've got super sharp eagle eye. Well... Heck i wouldnt even know that little extra arm is a dead giveaway.
Now it got me curious on a Hour Vision Annual Calendar that I got on eBay and authenticated by eBay.
Anything fishy on the movement? I did verify that it properly skips a day going from 4/30 to 5/01.
Much appreciated in advance.
 
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I hope this is the right place to post!
as some of you may have read in the Tintin Information gathering thread I bought a Tintin that is not a real one. No fake watch but a Standard Moonwatch xxxx.005 with a Tintin Dial and Caseback!
Pictogramm and Service Card looked fine!
Serial Number is 78800264 - so if you buy a Tintin PLEASE CHECK SERIAL NUMBER!! I don't wich any other to have that feeling when you realize that the watch you bought is not the intended one...
 
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What do you think of this beauty chaps. Can you help me out with a reference number.

additional pic of movement added, serial numbers appear to match, but everything I can find has “Annual CALANDER” on the dial

I think it may be a PIECE UNIQUE
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Agreed, but I cant really tell if your hour indices are gold colored from your pictures. Actually... Looks goldish but rather faded yellow gold.
 
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Hi all, first time posting here.

I’ve been eyeing the omega aqua terra and came across one on eBay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2555130182...ckA1NbKSaa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

seller provided a photo of serial on the movement and behind the lug. Seems good to go but I figured better safe than sorry

looks legit to me. just soo if the SN on the card fits the movement and have a look that the card is stamped!
 
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Wholly Cow Meme-Dweller! You've got super sharp eagle eye. Well... Heck i wouldnt even know that little extra arm is a dead giveaway.
Now it got me curious on a Hour Vision Annual Calendar that I got on eBay and authenticated by eBay.
Anything fishy on the movement? I did verify that it properly skips a day going from 4/30 to 5/01.
Much appreciated in advance.

Any way you can get a clearer pic of the movement? I don’t know the names of the parts, but the finish on a few look unusual — but could very well be the picture.

I imagine eBay’s authenticators would identify fakes with ease. I bought a new SMP 300M over the weekend on eBay and they’re authenticating it now.

Are there any stories of fake modern OMEGAs slipping past eBay’s authenticators? I am (ironically) more worried about getting a fake now that authenticators are involved, as it seems there’s be less opportunity for recourse if one slips by them (eBay can say it was real, they had an expert confirm it).
 
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Any way you can get a clearer pic of the movement? I don’t know the names of the parts, but the finish on a few look unusual — but could very well be the picture.

I imagine eBay’s authenticators would identify fakes with ease. I bought a new SMP 300M over the weekend on eBay and they’re authenticating it now.

Are there any stories of fake modern OMEGAs slipping past eBay’s authenticators? I am (ironically) more worried about getting a fake now that authenticators are involved, as it seems there’s be less opportunity for recourse if one slips by them (eBay can say it was real, they had an expert confirm it).
Sorry, I'm not very good at taking watch pictures, especially case back with bracelet in the way. Does this pic give you a better view?
 
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Sorry, I'm not very good at taking watch pictures, especially case back with bracelet in the way. Does this pic give you a better view?

That’s a much better shot! The areas that looked concerning to me in your original photo are much clearer here and look fine. (The finish on some parts looked wrong in the 1st photo, but now I can see it was just the blurriness of the photo👍).

My knowledge is limited compared to many others, but nothing alarming pops out to me. If you’re still concerned, a clear shot of the balance wheel could help seal the deal.

I’ve read up more about the eBay authentication process and they seem well-equipped to catch modern fakes, so unless someone else chimes in with an alarm bell, I think you’re in the clear.
 
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That’s a much better shot! The areas that looked concerning to me in your original photo are much clearer here and look fine. (The finish on some parts looked wrong in the 1st photo, but now I can see it was just the blurriness of the photo👍).

My knowledge is limited compared to many others, but nothing alarming pops out to me. If you’re still concerned, a clear shot of the balance wheel could help seal the deal.

I’ve read up more about the eBay authentication process and they seem well-equipped to catch modern fakes, so unless someone else chimes in with an alarm bell, I think you’re in the clear.
Thanks Takashi, for providing me peace of mind 😀
Which is why I brought up the original question of without expert knowledge, is it relatively safe to assume that a more complicated complication ought to be harder to fake (even for high end fakes). Using the Annual Calendar as an example, this one is a more complicated annual calendar where extra mechanisms are used to change the date instantly at midnight (no half turned date between lets say 12pm to 1am). So as long as it behaves as an Omega annual calendar should, I shouldnt worry about it being fake. Unless any of you have seen or encounter a fake annual calendar.

With regards to eBay authentication process... I reserve my doubts. In my case, I was looking at tracking and from the time they received the watch to authentication to reship the watch to me only took 2hours. Kinda super fast turnaround which makes me wonder. But who knows, maybe somethings are easier to authenticate than others.
One additional thing to add... My watch back case was oriented incorrectly when I received it and didnt raise any alarm from eBay is another reason I reserve my doubt.
 
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Thanks Takashi, for providing me peace of mind 😀
Which is why I brought up the original question of without expert knowledge, is it relatively safe to assume that a more complicated complication ought to be harder to fake (even for high end fakes). Using the Annual Calendar as an example, this one is a more complicated annual calendar where extra mechanisms are used to change the date instantly at midnight (no half turned date between lets say 12pm to 1am). So as long as it behaves as an Omega annual calendar should, I shouldnt worry about it being fake. Unless any of you have seen or encounter a fake annual calendar.

With regards to eBay authentication process... I reserve my doubts. In my case, I was looking at tracking and from the time they received the watch to authentication to reship the watch to me only took 2hours. Kinda super fast turnaround which makes me wonder. But who knows, maybe somethings are easier to authenticate than others.
One additional thing to add... My watch back case was oriented incorrectly when I received it and didnt raise any alarm from eBay is another reason I reserve my doubt.

I am going to go into speculation territory here for fun. I used to work at a large grey, and part of my team's job was confirming our incoming inventory matched what we quoted, which entailed authenticating the inventory. I got to work directly with 5+ watchmakers on a daily basis.

eBay uses Stoll & Co to authenticate their watches. I don't know what Stoll's process is exactly, but at my former company, we had a system in place where watches coming in would be opened, inspected, put on a Witscshi, etc. However, one of the biggest struggles faced by a large company in the pre-owned watch industry is bandwidth of their senior/expert watchmakers. You can scale your business up to have tons of incoming and outbound inventory, but finding high-quality watchmakers able to keep up with the inventory (authentication, servicing, etc.) in order to protect your product and brand reputation is not easy. eBay likely has the same problem, given their insane sales volume.

As a result, you have to come up with an assembly line process that respects (i.e. limits) the time of senior watchmakers during authentication. Stoll may have a mix of staff: individuals with higher levels of training, like WOSTEP-certifications, then lower-level staff, e.g. apprentice watchmakers. Any of these team members should be able to screen out obvious fakes at first glance. If it doesn't immediately look fake, they likely put the watch on a Witschi and look for anything glaringly obvious, like BPH being that of a Chinese movement.

The Witschi is an easy, objective way for a lower-level watchmaker to screen out a fake. The visible exterior of a good fake's movement is going to have effort put into it to resemble a real movement (though even high quality fakes should not slip by experienced watchmakers); but underneath the façade, there's a fake movement that's different from that of an actual OMEGA. Some of the "super fakes" (which were exceedingly rare during my time) had actual ETA movements, e.g. an ETA-2824. An ETA-2824 has a frequency of 28,800, whereas some in-house OMEGA calibers have lower frequency; e.g. I believe your cal. 8601 has a frequency of 25,200.

So, even if Stoll is employing an inexperienced hack who has no business opening your watch, they could simply put the received watch on a Witschi, look at the BPM, and see if it's 25,200 frequency; or, if it's a frequency of 21,600 - that of a common Chinese movement - it's a fake.

For watches with transparent case backs, apparently, Stoll does not open them. For run-of-the-mill watches with solid case backs, they may have the lower-level staff opening the case backs of common watches - Breitlings, Rolexes, etc. - and then a higher-level watchmaker swings by their desk to inspect the opened movement and confirm it's the real deal. The lower-level guy/gal puts it back together, pressure tests it to ensure it was put back correctly, and your watch is now deemed 'authenticated.'

With the thousands of watch models coming through the shop, lower-level production runs like your OMEGA are not going to be something the team is intimately familiar with - so they likely confirmed your watch was real, but didn't know the case back was upside down.

BTW, here's a video from eBay on the authentication process... they probably put a lot of lipstick on the pig, though: https://v.redd.it/ziofa7s9rb581

Sorry for the book! I never get to talk to anyone about this stuff as none of my friends are into watches. That job was my life for several years…
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Hello. Could you help me decide if this is fake or legit?

Sorry for being such a newbie

Legit. Omega quartz connie, I've got one somewhere.