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Shabbaz
·As a lawyer I often hear myself saying to clients: "Let it go. Not worth the money and energy. Move on.". And then I bill them for EUR 300.
Is this watch a Seamaster?
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bardamu
·have you even read your profane previous reply to me? My original post was an amusing tongue-in-cheek example of how to handle getting zapped on a deal. I even posted a smiley on it. Chill out dude.
You know what? To be honest, I have read some post of yours lately, in different threads, and almost every time the whole thing ended up in a sort of fight...maybe you should reconsider your netiquette.
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Kafue
·Go bees! You can make it!
This season I will not be harvesting any honey, nor any honey comb nor other bee related products.
I have called this season a "Non Event" & will conserve what we have for the future & re-grow from there.
More than 60% of my hives have been lost.
Yet this is nature.
I am still more fortunate than so many other beekeepers in my country. They have lost EVERYTHING & many cannot recover.
Bees are resilient. They are highly evolved. Humankind has worked with them for thousands of years.
It will all be good given time.
Cheers.
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size11s
·How could you possibly believe this in an age where we are all purchasing items online? Whether at online auctions, eBay, Amazon or the local electronics store?
So if I were to buy a classic car online that stated it was a 3000 Austin Healey 6 cylinder 100-6.
At Auction, which is common & because many are in the US, people from other countries often bid/buy these.
Yet after paying, let's for this example just say the deposit of 10%, I have the vehicle checked by my mechanic & find it has a different engine or an incorrect chassis number to the auction house's promotion.
Then you are saying "tough luck" you lost your deposit, or worse, the entire amount of the price I just sent via a cash transaction?
Impossible!
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dennisthemenace
·How could you possibly believe this in an age where we are all purchasing items online? Whether at online auctions, eBay, Amazon or the local electronics store?
So if I were to buy a classic car online that stated it was a 3000 Austin Healey 6 cylinder 100-6.
At Auction, which is common & because many are in the US, people from other countries often bid/buy these.
Yet after paying, let's for this example just say the deposit of 10%, I have the vehicle checked by my mechanic & find it has a different engine or an incorrect chassis number to the auction house's promotion.
Then you are saying "tough luck" you lost your deposit, or worse, the entire amount of the price I just sent via a cash transaction?
Impossible!
Nobody bids on a car based on a few photos.
You've already stated that you were tired and very STUPID.
Please don't expect many members here to sympathise with you.
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Kafue
·@Engee
I appreciate your post, but there is another clear undercurrent in this thread. Which is that most of us don’t really believe the OP was wronged or cheated TBH. He just made a bad buy and wants to get out of it. And to do so he’s making a lot of claims about fraud and mistreatment, but most of us aren’t really buying it. I don’t think he’s lying, more just trying to justify his behavior, and I’m sure he’s totally convinced himself that he is in the right. Unless the auction house actually said the watch was a different size than it actually is, then it’s not their fault he didn’t ask the size. Maybe they made a mistake with the Seamaster claim, but the watch didn’t say seamaster on the dial, so I don’t think the OP really cared about that. It’s a red herring. He’s just using it as a excuse to void the sale after the fact because he didn’t like the size. Just take a look at the watch, and I think you will agree that one immediately sees it has little more than scrap value. People come on here every day and get told they made a bad buy. At least it was a relatively cheap one, and probably a legit Omega, unlike some.
Members tried to be supportive but it’s gone a little far. Some of his claims are a bit silly. How do you photograph a watch to look like a full size watch. Is there a photo next to a fake ruler? Come on. I think it’s obvious what’s going on here. If anyone doesn’t agree, feel free to sell the OP a watch. Have fun with that.
If the watch were not small, i would have gone on with taking delivery & taken it to an expert who is about 3 hours drive from me. I would have made CERTAIN it was a Seamaster for obvious reasons. Please let me assure you that the auction house described the watch as being a Vintage SEAMASTER. I have a Ladies, small sized gold with gold bracelet Seamaster watch. I would NOT have argued that, if it was a Seamaster. So yes, I have already agreed my issue began with the size, but was extenuated by the fact that I realised it was not a Seamaster. As for the images of the watch: All Images of this watch were IMMEDIATELY removed from the auction website on the same day I refused to take the watch. They then REFUSED to email any other images. I am not denying or creating any red herrings. Damn I do not need to! Did you not read the part where I stated that the pink gold Omega Bracelet was what caught my eye? At worst I was prepared to put the watch in some draw & put this beautiful bracelet (original) to good use on another watch I own. I have not hidden a single thing nor tried to infer anything other than the this: read the posts because I am sure everyone does not want to read the same thing over & over again.
Perhaps the ONLY thing I have not been totally strident about to the auction house initially (note that word, it's not that I hid it, just did not want to make it too obvious) is the fact it is not a Seamaster. Why: because if the auction house picks up on this I do not know what they could do to negate this critical issue. You know what I mean. How easy is it really to make out that you (being the seller) were led to believe it was a Seamaster by just one or 2 internal items? This is something I was not, still not quite sure of. So I have kept this in reserve. Fair enough?
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Kafue
·As a one time carer for an c if I saw an ad for a "3000 Austin Healey 6 cylinder 100-6" I would contact the seller to clarify what they were actually selling as obviously they are a little confused. That way I wouldn't risk buying something that I didn't want.
May I please ask what your issue is with my description of a "Austin Healey 100/6"? Please keep in mind this is a friends car that has been upgraded with a fuel injected 3000 motor! Also, let me add, that I have rarely found AH with the engine number that could be completely trusted. Here comes another argument: get out the popcorn! Why: because so many Austin Healeys had the engine numbers attached on plates. Not imprinted on the blocks. Awaiting the heat!
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Waltesefalcon
·I have had a few British sports cars. Last one was a Austin Healey 3000 (not a 100-6). Will be happy to send you the photos or even post on this forum. I bought my last Austin H 3000 from the US, sight unseen, shipped it without flying over. Before final payment & shipping I did have it checked out by a Healey specialist & yes, there were a few issues but I let them go because I was in love with the car & it was something I had dreamed of since I was 15 years old. Turned out to be one of the happiest experiences of my two Sons & my life.
May I please ask what your issue is with my description of a "Austin Healey 100/6"? Please keep in mind this is a friends car that has been upgraded with a fuel injected 3000 motor! Also, let me add, that I have rarely found AH with the engine number that could be completely trusted. Here comes another argument: get out the popcorn! Why: because so many Austin Healeys had the engine numbers attached on plates. Not imprinted on the blocks. Awaiting the heat!
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size11s
·The Austin Healey 100/6 has a 2.6 litre engine, the 3000 has a 3 litre engine. Great cars and deserving of the high prices they now demand. Congratulations on yours.
My point really was about the responsibility of buyers as well as sellers, particularly at general auction sales as opposed to specialist sales. They have hundreds of very varied items to list (rather than catalogue as this is too specific a term) and very often use an image as the description and a few basic words. I take that as an invitation to then ask further information about the item if I am genuinely interested in buying it. I think it is fair enough that they don't enter a full and researched description as it would take an uneconomical amount of time to cover the vast majority of varied items in the auction. This I think is the responsibility of the buyer, to finish the part of the 'research' that the auctioneer didn't have time to do and gives the opportunity to bag a bargain, an 'undescribed gem'. It is the way of the 'general sales' auction world, there is an element of risk if you can't view the item. This is very different to a 'specialist sale' where some decent and accurate description can rightly be expected.
This is of course presuming that the watch was in a general sale auction. I know a few provincial auction houses here in the UK that would be brassed off if that watch was bought online without further pre auction enquiry and then received a complaint.
I agree that it is naughty of them to use the word "Seamaster" but that was probably some inexperienced, junior employee doing the listing who thought "I have seen one of those before, it was a Seamaster if I remember" and not thinking about it again as he/she was onto the next item.
My point really was about the responsibility of buyers as well as sellers, particularly at general auction sales as opposed to specialist sales. They have hundreds of very varied items to list (rather than catalogue as this is too specific a term) and very often use an image as the description and a few basic words. I take that as an invitation to then ask further information about the item if I am genuinely interested in buying it. I think it is fair enough that they don't enter a full and researched description as it would take an uneconomical amount of time to cover the vast majority of varied items in the auction. This I think is the responsibility of the buyer, to finish the part of the 'research' that the auctioneer didn't have time to do and gives the opportunity to bag a bargain, an 'undescribed gem'. It is the way of the 'general sales' auction world, there is an element of risk if you can't view the item. This is very different to a 'specialist sale' where some decent and accurate description can rightly be expected.
This is of course presuming that the watch was in a general sale auction. I know a few provincial auction houses here in the UK that would be brassed off if that watch was bought online without further pre auction enquiry and then received a complaint.
I agree that it is naughty of them to use the word "Seamaster" but that was probably some inexperienced, junior employee doing the listing who thought "I have seen one of those before, it was a Seamaster if I remember" and not thinking about it again as he/she was onto the next item.
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Waltesefalcon
·Oh, and because I didn't say it in my first post, welcome to the OF.
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·
Your question was about buying at auction a car described as a 3000 Austin Healey 100/6.
The answer you got was that the description should be queried as no such car left the factory that way.
Someone did their homework, shame you didn't.
And just to clear up any confusion, you say you paid for the watch but don't have possession. Is that correct?
The answer you got was that the description should be queried as no such car left the factory that way.
Someone did their homework, shame you didn't.
And just to clear up any confusion, you say you paid for the watch but don't have possession. Is that correct?
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Kafue
·What I'm saying is that if you had any sense you would check out what you are bidding on before you bid.
Nobody bids on a car based on a few photos.
You've already stated that you were tired and very STUPID.
Please don't expect many members here to sympathise with you.
This is not about an AH 100-6.
There are MANY examples of Austin Healeys that have been modified & are not the way they were when they left the factory.
My point was, & anyone who made any mental effort would recognise this, that buying on the internet, sight unseen, is a common practice. Please TRY to read my post again, I did employ a qualified mechanic specialist to inspect my car ( Austin Healey 3000 6 Cylinder) before I paid the balance of the purchase price.
If you had the ability or maturity to raise your intellect above the need to insult then you would have something of value to add to this thread. you clearly have neither.
I cannot think of a more appropriate Avatar or Name for you, considering the level of your conversation/posts on this thread.
I will not respond further to such a childish brat.
Cheers!
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efauser
·Now I know what it feels like to sit next to Ted Striker.
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Sidnos
·Again, OF never fails to amuse!
No threats of violence involving guns or committing federal offences this time however. Positively civil by comparison.
This is progress!
No threats of violence involving guns or committing federal offences this time however. Positively civil by comparison.
This is progress!
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·And no cats!
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Syrte
·@Kafue welcome to the forum. For all of @kafue’s claims about having done extensive research on other watches, it’s obvious the OP is completely inexperienced— bidding on a crappy watch without asking for more pictures or for size confirmation, not knowing the size of vintage watches, or even realizing this was not a Seamaster.
And in most Western countries, auction houses as professionals have a duty to describe items in ways that are not misleading. In this instance there is a complete misdescription of the item as a Seamaster which is arguably a more valuable model. Whether or not that was his main motivation, that doesn’t matter. If it were a Seamaster he would be able to resell it at a certain price which he cannot. End of story.
I even bet material errors in description which impact the value of the item may be listed in the terms of the auction house, which the OP should read.
don’t know what all that moralistic stuff is all about.
what country are we talking about where this would pose a problem?
And in most Western countries, auction houses as professionals have a duty to describe items in ways that are not misleading. In this instance there is a complete misdescription of the item as a Seamaster which is arguably a more valuable model. Whether or not that was his main motivation, that doesn’t matter. If it were a Seamaster he would be able to resell it at a certain price which he cannot. End of story.
I even bet material errors in description which impact the value of the item may be listed in the terms of the auction house, which the OP should read.
don’t know what all that moralistic stuff is all about.
what country are we talking about where this would pose a problem?
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Engee
·I’m not an experienced buyer so without some item to reference the watch against I’d struggle to know the size. It looks to be of an appropriate size in proportion to the box and the bracelet is six links across. The Connie on my wrist now has a five link across bracelet so to my mind it could easily be a man’s watch. Add to that the rather unhelpful behaviour of the auction house refusing to allow the OP to examine or photograph the watch and the case is, at best, disputable as to who is at fault.
But all of this is not really relevant. None of us can know the OPs motivation for coming on here and so whether you feel he is being disingenuous or not, surely the options are to either treat his post at face value or ignore it?
He asked whether people thought, as he was led to believe, if it’s a Seamaster. Where this dispute lands on the spectrum of Buyer Beware -> misrepresentation is not for any of us to decide. The OP is simply seeking truth. If it is a Seamaster than he is lumbered with a watch he doesn’t want, and if it isn’t he may decide to pursue a case of mis-selling. That’s up to him. Whether any of us think he has a legitimate case is neither here nor there.
I like to see the best in others. I try not to assess people from a cynical perspective. I’d much rather believe the OP is genuine rather than trying somehow to con us into thinking something that isn’t true. If we take that approach then people will get the help they are asking for, and if any expert could give an answer but is suspicious of the poster they‘re not obliged to contribute.
Where's the value in 4 pages of argument about it?
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Shabbaz
·Ok. If you give me that Austin Healey 3000 I will sue that auction house to bankruptcy. The hell with them. They will never know what hit them. If we win I'll take the watch as well. How does that sound?
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