Is this two-tone constellation dial hobnail or honeycomb?

Spoonta66 · Thurs. 9:29pm

Hello all,

I have this 1952 Constellation Reference 2652 and I am still confused regarding wether the outer ring is hobnail or honeycomb. The pattern is distinct raised 4-sided pyramids but the hobnail pictures seem to have a seperate border running between them, does that make this a honeycomb? I have included a close up if that helps?

JimInOz · Thurs. 10:39pm

Honeycomb would be a six sided/hexagonal pattern.
This one is hobnail, also known as Clous de Paris.

Clous de Paris
A guilloché (or embossed) pattern on a watch dial that forms a series of small pyramid-like squares. Also known as a hobnail pattern.

qazwsx1 · Fri. 12:56am

I think both could fall under the hobnail or Clous de Paris category, since they both show small pyramid-like square textures.

That said, the OP’s dial gives me more of a “waffle” impression, while mine looks closer to a finer “hobnail” pattern.

theluckyluke · Fri. 1:08am

Some people refer to the pattern as half waffle.

It’s all about semantics - see here some examples and how people name them. I think you’ll see some variability in names

https://omegaforums.net/threads/lets-see-your-textured-dials-waffle-and-hobnail.173187/

Thread 'Let's See Your Textured Dials (Waffle and Hobnail)' ·

Hopefully we don't already have a thread like this (I couldn't find one, but I suck at the search function), but waffle and hobnail dials are some of the best in my opinion. Let's see what you've...

gbesq · Jun 7, 2024

JimInOz · Fri. 1:12am

I'd also classify yours as Clous de Paris with the pyramid shapes representing the hobnails in the boots.
A waffle pattern is the reverse, waffles have high walls dividing the sunken waffle pits.

I know I'm swimming upstream but I've never seen a waffle with raised pyramids, but since the day the first person thought that's what they looked like, the appelation has stuck and I doubt I'll ever change it.

Waffle patterns.

Spoonta66 · Fri. 6:47am

JimInOz
I'd also classify yours as Clous de Paris with the pyramid shapes representing the hobnails in the boots.
A waffle pattern is the reverse, waffles have high walls dividing the sunken waffle pits.

I know I'm swimming upstream but I've never seen a waffle with raised pyramids, but since the day the first person thought that's what they looked like, the appelation has stuck and I doubt I'll ever change it.

Waffle patterns.

People have been saying this is repainted, are there any red flags?

cristos71 · Fri. 7:11am

I'm not convinced by this dial. The texture effect doesn't look right either to me. What reference is it?

Here a half waffle of mine, but opposite layout. Mine's a 2652.

AG77 · Fri. 7:18am

The OP watch clearly fails the MOY test, what do we think about that? The minute and seconds hand look far too long. Doesn't feel right to me.

MtV · Fri. 7:19am

It's a redial, same discussion has been going on here:

https://omegaforums.net/posts/2602226/

omega1994 · Fri. 2:45am

Spoonta66
I found this pretty one today from 1952

Surely a redial?

Spoonta66 · Fri. 8:07am

cristos71
I'm not convinced by this dial. The texture effect doesn't look right either to me. What reference is it?

Here a half waffle of mine, but opposite layout. Mine's a 2652.

2652-8 movement dates to 1953

Spoonta66 · Fri. 8:08am

AG77
The OP watch clearly fails the MOY test, what do we think about that? The minute and seconds hand look far too long. Doesn't feel right to me.

As far as I was aware they didn't shorten the hands until 1958? I was told by my watchmaker that and pre-1958 Constellations that have the shorter hands had them replaced at some point in time during service.

cristos71 · Fri. 8:57am

Seconds hand is wrong, others are too long. Do you have pictures of the movement?

Peemacgee · Fri. 9:26am

Spoonta66
As far as I was aware they didn't shorten the hands until 1958? I was told by my watchmaker that and pre-1958 Constellations that have the shorter hands had them replaced at some point in time during service.

I'm afraid that your watchmaker is incorrect.
Generally, the minute hand reaches the minute track.
However, on pie pan dials, some watches have the minute hand protruding, very slightly, over the minute track - most noticeable between indices.

TexOmega · Fri. 9:38am

OP's watch is for sure a redial, "n's" are all wrong in Constellation(for one thing)

Spoonta66 · Fri. 7:26pm

Peemacgee
I'm afraid that your watchmaker is incorrect.
Generally, the minute hand reaches the minute track.
However, on pie pan dials, some watches have the minute hand protruding, very slightly, over the minute track - most noticeable between indices.

Thanks for that, he told me the early ones protruded nearly to the outside of the dial before they shortened them layer to the inside. Cheeky bugger 🤣

Spoonta66 · Fri. 7:26pm

TexOmega
OP's watch is for sure a redial, "n's" are all wrong in Constellation(for one thing)

I'm disappointed but I didn't pay much for it so it was still a good deal as a repaint fortunately

AG77 · Fri. 7:40pm

I bet it looks great on the wrist. Wear it happily.

Is this two-tone constellation dial hobnail or honeycomb?

Spoonta66

JimInOz

qazwsx1

theluckyluke

JimInOz

Spoonta66

cristos71

AG77

MtV

Spoonta66

Spoonta66

cristos71

Peemacgee

TexOmega

Spoonta66

Spoonta66

AG77

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