Is this Transitional worth €12,000?

I wouldn't, if I were you.

This has been an ugly couple of posts, but I believe of importance.
For me, saying that critical comments on the FS listing should be forbidden, but while it is listed, to bring it
over to this discussion forum to then trash the watch seems ludicrous. If a watch is listed FS, does it really matter if it is critiqued on the FS or discussion fourum?

So, the real issue is, should we be commenting on FS watches here, and the answer is ABSOLUTELY!
I think that is what separates OF from other sales venues. Those comments, whether good or bad, are of real benifit to those of us that are not as all-knowing as spacefruit, gemini and a host of the others here who are experts.
I notice that comments made on the sales forum are usually positive comments. The KEY however, shoud he that comments are made respectfully and accurately. If you are not sure if it's a relume, don't mention it.
As far as commenting on price, I personally see no problem with it if the price is way out of line, either high or low.

Ok, I think I have resolved all of the issues and we can close down this post 😀

Hi all,

I'm very happy to become a star 😉 I really didn't think that would turn up that way. I red all the comment and feel a bit irritated I admit.
Sorry for not answering rapidly but I'm at work.
Concerning the lume of the dial, yes it's all original, never repainted. This watch sat in a safe for 35 years. remember that the pic of the dila was taken a few seconds after exposure to a bulb light. The lume vanishes after a few seconds of course.
I'll take the dial out tonight to show it directly with the dial of my 71 speedy on its side. I know some will say, it was repainted when seing it but it's not the case
@ spacefruit : the plots are all good. You probably never saw some like this before, neither did I... and when I saw them first I was astonished.
@tipatta : yes the DON is included
@dennisthemenace : the lume shot has noting really suspect
@Speedmasterfan88 : yes the chrono hand might have been replaced with a whiter and more luminous one, I tend to think so
@oddboy : I'll show the plots directly tonight in macro pic
@ larry : no relume, I'm definitly sure about it
@ulackfocus : absolutly right! the good price is found naturally in general in a discussion with potential buyer

Sorry for answering that way but so many comments. If it was really made up of replacement or spares I wouldn't be dumb enough to show it here and ask that amount of money except if I liked being trashed. For instance, I may sell a 105.012 for 7500 in top conditions (but less than this transitional)
I can admit some comments on the watch itslef but concerning the fact that I'm a scammer or some kind of troll, no way. the ad says "or best offer" so best offers are accepted like for any other watch.
If I was selling myself a little Omega at 500 and realize that it was probably too steep, I would probably take off 50 euros. That's the way transactions work don't they? I can't see anything shocking.

wise comment 😉

'If you are not sure if it's a relume, don't mention it.'
Reluming is certainly one of the most Tricky point for vintage watches. Today some outstanding relume job can be found out there and it is always difficult to claim for sure if is relumed or not ( ok some cases are very easy to spot) but if you have some doubt I think it is important to mention it. After that, the buyer will judge and make his own idea... Not mentioning it will lead more to everybody Agree that it is not relumed ...
Since the beginning of this story I tried to discuss only technical point ( not price judgment) and I think that is for those technical discussion we love this forum so much. Anyway good luck to the seller for his sale !

I said exaclty the contrary

I was quoting Dgercp

OK sorry 😗

Hello Al

I agree with you on almost all points. Pointing the potential flows of a watch must no be a problem but with some minimum respect unless this is a scam.
The fact is I answer questions on the watch and itend to stay on this forum.

I jumped in on the other thread early on, as I saw the comments spiraling into something that I thought would set a very bad precedent on here--trashing a fellow member, their watch, and their price in THEIR FS thread...WTF???

What about the member selling a Rolex GMT for a big number? No thread drift or new thread on that...

Or the member selling that beautiful Blancpain for $35k? Barely any thread drift or new thread on that...

Or the members selling watches for their friends? No thread drift or new threads on that...

Questioning a watch, especially one of this caliber, is very important to @Archer point--that is an integral part of this of forum, but that is completely different that what we have seen here IMO.

Remember a few things...

All of us don't own a website dedicated to Speedmasters...

All of us don't speak or write in perfect English...

All of us don't take the best pictures...

All of us don't list watches for sale in the same manner...

All of don't price our watches the same...

AND

All of us DO love watches...

All of us LIKE to be treated fairly in person and on the internet...

This is one hell of a watch, and I would love for someone to show me a comparable full set sold this year. In my book, a later tritium sweep hand doesn't make or break this watch...and we all know it.

As for the dial, only one of us has seen this watch in the flesh, but so many armchair quarterbacks are so quick to pass judgement. My '69 tropical that has NEVER been monkeyed with has a very similar lume application and patina, and glows in a similar fashion after exposure to light. So it is "prepared"???

How many Speedies were made? How many variations do we know of to date? How many new variations come to light with each new watch that comes to market? Is each individual vintage Speedy truly one of kind do the conditions they encountered and requisite patina?

My point of all of this is that none of us know everything...about everything. The beauty of this forum, and why all of keep coming back is the openness, honestly, and the fact that it, on the whole, is a great group of people.

I for one have grown as a collector based on feedback I have received from other members on here...the more I learn on here, the more I realize I do not know.

As more and more people join, and the market continues to unearth rare and valuable watches, I think it is important to be vigilant and meticulously critique watches...after watching the way in which some senior members post, I strive to post in a manner that mimics a face to face conversation. I always try to think, would you say that in the same manner to your wife, partner, friend, or colleague? Please note that sarcasm is totally fine...

Onwards and upwards gentleman, and good luck with the sale.

Hello watchknut

Thanks for expressing perfectly what I think and would say in english with more difficulty. Thanks also for not blaming me for rarely seen lume. As for the 'buddy's watch' I don't know if it was a good idea to mention it... the fact is that it is a friend's one. I mention my chronostop as mine as it is mine... and I would have liked to own this speedy believe me.
About pictures, you all know what it is if you try to shoot decently. It's very hard to conceal tiny scratches that appear like the noze in the middle of the face (as we say in french). Nevertheless I do my best to put on decent pictures.

cheers

Spacefruit,

you don't offend me at all. I know this watch is at a high price. As you can see, I have no problem discussing about the watch as long as there's a minimum of respect.
See my other ads, I sell a 1991 for 3000 euros and a chronostop for 1600 which high think is not a particularly high price.
I also admit one thing. That the DON should habe been fitted on. My friend wanted me to post the ad rapidly because sometimes people need some money so he didn't take the time to put it on.
As for the rest I can't admit being called a scammer. I did several sales here without any complains.
I'm glad to be on an Omega forum, I'm fond of Omegazzz and don't see any reason why we shouldn't discuss the condition of a watch.

I've been collecting and selling watches for ages so I don't feel offended more than that by all that, I saw some harder times, for instance being scammed on my Apollo IX a few years ago like a newbie. Very clever scam I admit.
I also want to say, not only the buyer takes risks. Admit someone says he receives a empty package, what do I do?

I for one appreciate knowing buying from respected members here is still somewhat safe, I really appreciate that from the vast knowledge here, I don't think it's disrespectful, I would appreciate it as a seller and think the seller should appreciate it. This is not a fly-by- night make a quick buck place.

I have no skin in the game, but I'd like to make a couple of points as an interested bystander.

I will always defer to the vastly greater knowledge of some of the members here when it comes to questions regarding the authenticity (or otherwise) of a specific watch and how that squares with the description a seller provides. In my opinion, a seller should take heed of any questions and possible anomalies brought to his/her's attention and seek to answer these. In some cases where such anomalies may be impossible to definitively answer, this should also be disclosed. That way both the buyer and seller base the transaction on informed choice.

What I have little sympathy with is people lambasting the seller for the (initial) price asked. Like it or not, if the market or an individual is willing to pay that amount, so be it. There is no ripping off, gouging or other morally questionable aspect to this. It's a discretionary purchase and if priced too high, it won't find a buyer. If it does (and given that point no.1 is satisfied) then good luck to buyer and seller. If it does not sell at the initial price, then I believe offers will be entertained.

This forum has a wealth of knowledge and opinion when it comes to guide pricing watches. What is does not have is the power to set (as opposed to influence to a degree) prices for individual transactions.