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Is this Transitional worth €12,000?

Emeister
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I think there are lessons to be learned about presentation as well.

The watch could have presented with a DO90 bezel attatched, and the papers could have been pictured so as to show they were for the actual watch.

The papers certainly have the potential to add value to someone.
Possibility of more papers in the background of this picture than than just the guarantee booklet (front shown only in other pictures).
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Your price list on S101 is for head only.
Any comments or observations you'd like to give on extra value for the various bracelets/endlinks (assuming 1039/516 in this case)?

I'm guessing legitimate paperwork with the matching movement number is going to have highly variable values dependent upon the specific buyer.
 
mozambique
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As with everything else, bracelet prices seem to have been on the ascendancy. I would figure around $1.5k or maybe a bit more for decent 1039 and 516's.
 
alam
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..... it's about 4-5K over priced...

well, the FS ad reads "he [the owner] wants 12,000 euro....." but we all know that most of the time, there's a big stretch between want and get....
 
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Kringkily Kringkily
I've been doing it all wrong🙁
and please continue to do so for the foreseeable future 😀
 
Deafboy
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I think it is extremely disrespectful to openly criticize a member's price or condition for an item for sale, even more so when it is on the seller's thread. In fact I see it as form of bullying and extortion. In my opinion the sale is between two parties: the seller and the buyer, others should keep their opinions to themselves unless called upon. A potential buyer who wants more information about the value or condition can discreetly connect with other members via the messaging system.
 
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I have a question about the lume. Is it possible that it still shines after 50 years? I have a 69 and have never seen the markers show any sign of lume even after a long day in the sun. Doesn't it have a shelf life no matter how well preserved it may appear on the dials and hands?


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JohnSteed
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/thanks for this thread William.

Between each opinion of each form member ( ::facepalm1:: 😁 sooooooo MANY, right? ) and what's allowed by the mods, seems there's lots of room for comment & debate, right? When I got my first vintage watch, comments by members in the open forum gave great perspective on what should & should not be. Many guys new to vintage have no clue what they're looking at when buying a vintage watch of any type, much less what's a reasonable price. So for me, leaving aside for now comments of a watch's price, the more comments the better, on the watch itself. Serious hunters interested in vintage are grateful.

So .... Let there be .... comments !!

My 2 cents
 
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Deafboy Deafboy
I think it is extremely disrespectful to openly criticize a member's price or condition for an item for sale, even more so when it is on the seller's thread. In fact I see it as form of bullying and extortion. In my opinion the sale is between two parties: the seller and the buyer, others should keep their opinions to themselves unless called upon. A potential buyer who wants more information about the value or condition can discreetly connect with other members via the messaging system.

You are, of course, correct about being disrespectful - except I think the "bullying and extortion" is a little more extreme description than what was happening.

However, there is a certain amount of brutal honesty permitted, and actually encouraged, here when it comes to watches offered - whether it's about originality or price. It just should not happen in the seller's For Sale listing.
 
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Deafboy Deafboy
I think it is extremely disrespectful to openly criticize a member's price or condition for an item for sale, even more so when it is on the seller's thread. In fact I see it as form of bullying and extortion. In my opinion the sale is between two parties: the seller and the buyer, others should keep their opinions to themselves unless called upon. A potential buyer who wants more information about the value or condition can discreetly connect with other members via the messaging system.

Love you man!!!

That said, criticism is same to me as comments. Because there's no way to police us. Some of us are more deft, others not so much. But if each person is free to comment, us thick skinned guys can read between the lines and get the gist or flavor of what is actually being communicated. I think we all do our best to be respectful, just the same and I don't see any disrespectful comments....yet
 
JohnSteed
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......

However, there is a certain amount of brutal honesty permitted, and actually encouraged, here when it comes to watches offered - whether it's about originality or price. It just should not happen in the seller's For Sale listing.

👍👍👍👍
 
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If I were to pay 13,5k$ for a transitional Speedy, I would expect to be blown away by its appeal its appearance and the face of it. It should be well beyond all questioning in order to command such an hefty premium.

This watch does not do that to me.

Each and everyone to themselves of course, but what would this forum be, if we were not allowed to discuss this, even if it happens to be about a watch that has been offered for sale on this forum? I think it's even more critical that we do that, just because of that, since it's in the best interest to the all of us, that we keep this place as tidy as we can. Remember Eric Wind at Christies recommending this place in the New York times not long ago. What a great recognition!

Here's my transitional -69, which I know for a fact that the face is untouched

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I rely on this Forum for my understanding of Omega matters. I have found it extremely good for information and opinion. This is largely due to the quality, sincerity and knowledge/expertise of many of the regular posters. One outcome of this is my feeling of confidence in making the purchase of a watch advertised on the Forum. While I appreciate others' comments that the market will determine actual selling price, ads are a part of the establishment of the sentiment of that market. I also believe that allowing ads with outlandish asking prices and/or poor descriptions - sometimes in pigeon English - causes the overall tone to be lowered and a general cynicism in regard to the bona fides of all posters. Those of us who genuinely love these things for their aesthetic and technical qualities rather than as investment vehicles, do resent the activities of people who only look for profit and are forever driving up prices and causing more and more models/iterations to become beyond our financial reach.
 
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davy26 davy26
I rely on this Forum for my understanding of Omega matters. I have found it extremely good for information and opinion. This is largely due to the quality, sincerity and knowledge/expertise of many of the regular posters. One outcome of this is my feeling of confidence in making the purchase of a watch advertised on the Forum. While I appreciate others' comments that the market will determine actual selling price, ads are a part of the establishment of the sentiment of that market. I also believe that allowing ads with outlandish asking prices and/or poor descriptions - sometimes in pigeon English - causes the overall tone to be lowered and a general cynicism in regard to the bona fides of all posters. Those of us who genuinely love these things for their aesthetic and technical qualities rather than as investment vehicles, do resent the activities of people who only look for profit and are forever driving up prices and causing more and more models/iterations to become beyond our financial reach.

We all agree. And these discussions should not happen WITHIN the FS topic. But perfectly fine to have them in a side thread like this one William smartly started 😀
 
Deafboy
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You are, of course, correct about being disrespectful - except I think the "bullying and extortion" is a little more extreme description than what was happening.

However, there is a certain amount of brutal honesty permitted, and actually encouraged, here when it comes to watches offered - whether it's about originality or price. It just should not happen in the seller's For Sale listing.

Practically little difference, in my opinion, to do it within the seller's thread (blatantly disrespectful) or stated in a parallel thread (just plain disrespectful). It is still influencing the outcome of a sale between members.

I think the bullying is quite clear in this case as there is basically of a mob-like mentality of defining the price. That is not a free market because the final price is determined in the latter by supply and demand, not by some consensus of a group of non-buyers. The extortion part can easily be done by a potential buyer using this behavior to lower the price by seeding, directly, or via others. What you refer as brutal honesty has become a quasi-withchhunt in this case and is setting a precedent for future transactions on the forum.
 
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Deafboy Deafboy
Practically little difference, in my opinion, to do it within the seller's thread (blatantly disrespectful) or stated in a parallel thread (just plain disrespectful). It is still influencing the outcome of a sale between members.

I think the bullying is quite clear in this case as there is basically of a mob-like mentality of defining the price. That is not a free market because the final price is determined in the latter by supply and demand, not by some consensus of a group of non-buyers. The extortion part can easily be done by a potential buyer using this behavior to lower the price by seeding, directly, or via others. What you refer as brutal honesty has become a quasi-withchhunt in this case and is setting a precedent for future transactions on the forum.
There are lots of comments here about the watch, not the price. Surely that's fair game.
 
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Deafboy Deafboy
I think it is extremely disrespectful to openly criticize a member's price or condition for an item for sale, even more so when it is on the seller's thread. In fact I see it as form of bullying and extortion. In my opinion the sale is between two parties: the seller and the buyer, others should keep their opinions to themselves unless called upon. A potential buyer who wants more information about the value or condition can discreetly connect with other members via the messaging system.
I think you should familiarize yourself with the meaning of both "bullying and extortion".
 
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There are lots of comments here about the watch, not the price. Surely that's fair game.
I'm on the fence about that. The comments are interesting but disputing the originality of the watch or integrity of the seller based on flimsy evidence (e.g. chrono hands in this particular sale) is disrespectful.
 
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I think you should familiarize yourself with the meaning of both "bullying and extortion".
bul·ly1
ˈbo͝olē/
verb
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.

ex·tor·tion
ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

I stand by the terms.
 
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Been reading both threads. I am a bit sad for the seller, this also underlines the importance for sellers on this site to be 110% confident with their for sale posts/descriptions/pictures or they will be shredded.
I have been hanging out here very regular for about 1 year but don't have the post count to sell, I wish I did. Below is my 26.5 m transitional w 68 caseback. Outside of the DN90 I strongly believe this is all good - however I am sure there are folks here who will disagree.
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