Is this Seiko 6309-7040 real or FAKE?

KarlsKrone · Aug 31, 2017

Dear members,

I need your help! Does anybody knows something about vintage Seiko Turtles and maybe is able to spot a fake?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/302427442564?ul_noapp=true
This Seiko seems really interesting to me. Serial number, case back and everything seems fine. But what about the dial and hands?

Thank you in advance!!
Cheers

Foo2rama · Aug 31, 2017

I believe that's an aftermarket dial. I think it should be beveled at the date window.

There are resources out there if you google for them.

The spots to check if I remember correctly is bezel fonts and the date window.

voere · Aug 31, 2017

The dial & hands look original
The dial and hands are original on this one The case is polished to match the bracelet, bezel insert non original replacement with 6105 crystal One of my beater 6309's

bigsom · Aug 31, 2017

Dial: the spacing is correct for the JAPAN 6309 - 704L T text (good sign). I can't tell if the day and date window are beveled correctly. Most aftermarket dials do not have the beveled edge. The green WATER RESIST text is a common deterioration of the original orange/red text. Overall if the day/date window bevel is pronounced like in voere's watch then I think you're looking at an original dial.

EDIT - just zoomed in on the dial and there is no bevel to the window and also the lume plots are a little too poorly applied. I'll change my opinion to AM dial unless you have more photos.

Hands: Look original to me, the lume application seiko used for the hands is different form the dial for the 6309 and often times there's a different color shade as the dial plots become more yellow/orange and the hands are white/cream.

Bezel: that's an AM insert, numbers are too thick, dots too thick, little too high from the inner edge, pearl size too small.

Case: looks in super shape from the single photo but would need more. Do you have a case back shot?

Foo2rama · Aug 31, 2017

bigsom
Dial: the spacing is correct for the JAPAN 6309 - 704L T text (good sign). I can't tell if the day and date window are beveled correctly. Most aftermarket dials do not have the beveled edge. The green WATER RESIST text is a common deterioration of the original orange/red text. Overall if the day/date window bevel is pronounced like in voere's watch then I think you're looking at an original dial.

EDIT - just zoomed in on the dial and there is no bevel to the window and also the lume plots are a little too poorly applied. I'll change my opinion to AM dial unless you have more photos.

Hands: Look original to me, the lume application seiko used for the hands is different form the dial for the 6309 and often times there's a different color shade as the dial plots become more yellow/orange and the hands are white/cream.

Bezel: that's an AM insert, numbers are too thick, dots too thick, little too high from the inner edge, pearl size too small.

Case: looks in super shape from the single photo but would need more. Do you have a case back shot?

This x 100. Although that shot makes it hard to see the bevel. I see no lume issue and the lower text looks legit. My concern was the bezel also.

All in all a nice piece, depends on price but I'd buy it, it presents well.

voere · Aug 31, 2017

Just for a reference picture This 6309 shows the original bezel the dial is from another Seiko 5 6309 which was NOS I figured give the diver another look with the light color dial,6105 crystal and sweep second hand with the original Seiko 5 hands

The 2nd picture is the original dial another example but it may show the day date window cut. I enjoy playing around with my versions of the 6309 divers

Is this Seiko 6309-7040 real or FAKE?

KarlsKrone

Foo2rama

voere

bigsom

Foo2rama

voere

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