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is this omega constellation dial original or redial

Wizzar
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Hi,

could you give me your thoughts, and also if anyone knows reference of this model, is the crown correct also, thx!
Case is sharp, there's bor bracelet, caseback is also sharp so maybe its not redial?

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SOG53
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better straight on focused photo of dial needed. Caseback or movement photos avail? Hard to judge authenticity on this photo alone
 
Peemacgee
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@Wizzar - the condition of the case has nothing to do with the originality of the dial - you really do need to start studying the relevant info.

Even from the single poor photo - A quick read of Desmond's blog will lead you to the conclusion that this is a redial.
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
@Wizzar - the condition of the case has nothing to do with the originality of the dial - you really do need to start studying the relevant info.

Even from the single poor photo - A quick read of Desmond's blog will lead you to the conclusion that this is a redial.
Sure, but condition of the case may lead sometimes to the conclusion that the watch just lies in the box for the most of the time and that may lead to thoughts that it might be fully original watch. I am not a superficial judge, I take into account many factors and possibilities
Can you send me a link to the blog? 😉
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Peemacgee
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Wizzar Wizzar
Sure, but condition of the dial may lead sometimes to the conclusion that the watch just lies in the box for the most of the time.
Can you send me a link to the blog? 😉
I agree that the condition of the dial can lead to certain conclusions - but you mentioned the condition of the case being a guide to the originality of the dial.

If the dial is black - assume it is a redial and then go about ascertaining originality.

http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/

would you like me to read the relevant sections for you too?

First and foremost read and absorb:
case styles
dial styles

........and then come back and tell us why this is a redial.

Enjoy your reading.
 
Wizzar
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
I agree that the condition of the dial can lead to certain conclusions - but you mentioned the condition of the case being a guide to the originality of the dial.

If the dial is black - assume it is a redial and then go about ascertaining originality.

http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/

would you like me to read the relevant sections for you too?

First and foremost read and absorb:
case styles
dial styles

........and then come back and tell us why this is a redial.

Enjoy your reading.
I meant condition of the case may lead to general thoughts about the watch, if it was heavily used and renewed or not and this may sometimes be connected to the dial itself. If someone is an enthusiast of renewing cases/watches may be eager to renew dial, remove hands index corrosion or other interferences into originality. Nevermind, everyone got his own point of view.
Please dont judge me as I was to lazy to read and learn, I will do that with pleasure because I love watches 😀 Dont be rude by saying if I would like you to read me - no thx.
 
osterman
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Vintage watch rule number one: beware of black dials.
Having said that, the photo is too blurred to give an honest opinion.
 
Peemacgee
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Wizzar Wizzar
Please dont judge me as I was to lazy to read and learn, I will do that with pleasure because I love watches 😀 Dont be rude by saying if I would like you to read me - no thx.

Just a gentle yank on your chain.
 
Peemacgee
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osterman osterman
Vintage watch rule number one: beware of black dials.
Having said that, the photo is too blurred to give an honest opinion.

Not wishing to labour the point but even with the single poor image it is quite clearly a redial.
Hence asking @Wizzar to research why that might be.
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Passover
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SPOILER ALERT!

Lyre shaped lugs with neither "Chronometre" or two liner text??
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aprax
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Letting the cat out of the box :
The final "n" in Constellation is straight. That's an immediate tell.
 
Peemacgee
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Passover Passover
SPOILER ALERT!

Lyre shaped lugs with neither "Chronometre" or tow liner text??

True - but if a 14381, from the end of their production run , it could potentially have a ‘full text’ dial with ‘er’ spelling.
However, I would only expect a devotee to know that.
But there is one major tell that couldn’t possibly be on any original lyre lug arrowhead dial.
 
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aprax aprax
Letting the cat out of the box :
The final "n" in Constellation is straight. That's an immediate tell.
Crossed posts.
Give that man a coconut !

For clarity - neither ‘n’ in Constellation should be straight-legged.
 
TexOmega
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we all started as the OP has started, and a long learning curve is beaconing.
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
For clarity - neither ‘n’ in Constellation should be straight-legged.
Right you are.
I spoiled part of the reveal, didn't I. Couldn't hold it in 😏
 
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aprax aprax
Letting the cat out of the box :
The final "n" in Constellation is straight. That's an immediate tell.
Correct! I didn't noticed at first.
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
I agree that the condition of the dial can lead to certain conclusions - but you mentioned the condition of the case being a guide to the originality of the dial.

If the dial is black - assume it is a redial and then go about ascertaining originality.

http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/

would you like me to read the relevant sections for you too?

First and foremost read and absorb:
case styles
dial styles

........and then come back and tell us why this is a redial.

Enjoy your reading.

After I've been interested in Constellation for a couple months, I already have a habit to assume every black dial I see is a redial. Until I think I may make up something when I see an original one, LoL
 
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