Is this a Spillman case?

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bgrisso

·Feb 26, 2019

I know the classic Spillman case with the angled lugs, drilled through, and the particular caseback. But I see lots of other types of cases referred to as Spillman. I assume they made other cases in addition to the one style I am talking about? Or is a Spillman case ONLY that classic angled lugs design?

I started a thread about this a while back, asking if anyone had any data for all the different types of Spillman UG references, but no response, so not sure if this has been studied/documented?

For example, is this a Spillman case?

 

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bgrisso

·Feb 26, 2019

This is the classic style I mean with the angled lugs...

 

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Diabolik

·Feb 26, 2019

bgrisso

This is the classic style I mean with the angled lugs...

That is a spillman ...

 

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bgrisso

·Feb 26, 2019

Diabolik

That is a spillman ...

Yes, but what about the first watch?

 

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Diabolik

·Feb 26, 2019

bgrisso

Yes, but what about the first watch?

The first one "No", not a spillman

 

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vujen

·Feb 26, 2019

Of course not a Spillman one.
Spillman was a case producer, with many others. Today "Spillman cases" are very desirable, but IMO they are nice cases, with many others.

 

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bgrisso

·Feb 26, 2019

So are there other spillman case styles aside from the faceted example I posted above, or is that the only case they made?

I just see many cases referred to as spillman and I’m not sure if ppl are wrong, or if I am just not familiar with the range of spillman cases

 

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Dan S

·Feb 26, 2019

bgrisso

This is the classic style I mean with the angled lugs...

Gorgeous Compur BTW.

I'm sure you know this, but not all cases with those angled lugs are made by Spillman. There are some generic lookalikes. This case-back indicates a Spillman case.

Edited: Feb 26, 2019

 

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bgrisso

·Feb 26, 2019

Dan S

Gorgeous Compur BTW.

I'm sure you know this, but not all cases with those angled lugs are made by Spillman. There are some generic lookalikes. This case-back indicates a Spillman case.

Thx. Yah I’m familiar, it’s more these other style cases I’m trying to understand. There are some even in the FS forum here that ppl refer to as spillman and I’m not clear if that is accurate

 

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Dan S

·Feb 26, 2019

You can also look for a hammerhead with "136" on gold cases, and case reference codes starting with "SP".

 

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Woops

·Feb 27, 2019

Spillmann made numerous different styles of cases over the years aside from the angled lugs special and waterproofs which are famous around here.

The only failsafe way to identify a Spillmann is to open the case and see what is stamped on the inside case back. They do seem to be regularly mislabelled by people (especially dealers) who have failed to do this.

The question then arises; was every single Spillmann case stamped with a unique identifier (136 hammerhead makers mark for gold, 'SP' for later steel cases and so on)? If so, a definitive key of these stamps would be most helpful and basically foolproof (famous last words).

There is an excellent Spillmann post from Orologi translated here;
https://translate.google.com/transl...//orologi.forumfree.it/?t=63472246&edit-text=

(article first made known to me by @Carlton-Browne in this excellent thread - thank you)
https://omegaforums.net/threads/just-in-compur-with-nice-lugs.45606/#post-540718

To see just how difficult any external visual case check is, look at this advert. Who here would've said that these were Spillmann cases by sight alone?

 

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Tony C.

·Feb 27, 2019·Ωf Jury member

Funny thing about the angled lug "signature" is that it is not a reliable way to identify Spillman cases. Look no further than the Mido Multicenterchrono cases, manufactured by Taubert (aka "FB"), for examples.

 

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rfordo

·Oct 22, 2019

I have been looking into Spillman cases here recently and have a quick response to the original question.

Looks to me that UG did not use Spillman on smaller diameter non-angular lugged models in stainless steel. However, examples of a similar ilk produced in gold were Spillman manufactured (hammerhead 136 stamped inside caseback):
https://www.bachmann-scher.de/en/so...vintage-compax-chronograph-14k-gold-3784.html
https://www.bernardinimilano.com/products/universal-geneve-compax-18
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-...123048?hash=item1cdbf185e8:g:mL4AAOSwByhdlRR3

A quick observation is Spillman gold models have smaller diameter pusher "shafts" (excuse my jargon) than their "enversteel" brothers.

 

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Verdi

·Oct 24, 2019

I have a UG with angled lugs but no 136 marking indicating that is a Spillman case. So, I guess this is not always the rule when it comes to lugs shaped like that.
Mine has 128 marking inside the caseback.

 

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zr4484

·Oct 24, 2019

rfordo

I have been looking into Spillman cases here recently and have a quick response to the original question.

Looks to me that UG did not use Spillman on smaller diameter non-angular lugged models in stainless steel. However, examples of a similar ilk produced in gold were Spillman manufactured (hammerhead 136 stamped inside caseback):
https://www.bachmann-scher.de/en/so...vintage-compax-chronograph-14k-gold-3784.html
https://www.bernardinimilano.com/products/universal-geneve-compax-18
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-...123048?hash=item1cdbf185e8:g:mL4AAOSwByhdlRR3

A quick observation is Spillman gold models have smaller diameter pusher "shafts" (excuse my jargon) than their "enversteel" brothers.

I believe those shafts that you refer to, are in fact replacement pushers. The generic spillman case commonly referred to doesnt have the smaller diameter pusher shaft, even in Gold

 

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Dan S

·Oct 24, 2019

Verdi

Mine has 128 marking inside the caseback.

Jung & Cie case, I believe. Are the angled lugs in the same shape as the Spillman case. The ones I have seen are not tapered.

 

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septentrio

·Feb 13, 2022

How about this Welex? 😀

 

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Pazzo

·May 20, 2023

Dan S

You can also look for a hammerhead with "136" on gold cases, and case reference codes starting with "SP".

Okay.
So, what is a 166 instead of 136 hammerhead stamp on a UG 18kt. gold case?

 

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Dan S

·May 20, 2023

Pazzo

Okay.
So, what is a 166 instead of 136 hammerhead stamp on a UG 18kt. gold case?

I generally find these things using google, so I assume you can do the same. Do you think I have the codes memorized? 🙄

 

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bgrisso

·May 21, 2023

Pazzo

Okay.
So, what is a 166 instead of 136 hammerhead stamp on a UG 18kt. gold case?

everyone knows 166 is Henri Jeanneret 👍