In need for some advice on this (145.022 inside)

Dsplash · Dec 11, 2019

Hi

I’ve been offered this 145.022-69 (serial 2963xxxx)
The seller has had trouble taking a good focused picture and I finally got one. What do you guys think of this piece? He says the indexes are more yellow in reality than in the picture (hope I’ll get soon a nice picture in daylight...)
It’s for sale with the 1039/516 displayed

thanks!

edit: the only really focused picture appears last

OMEGuy · Dec 11, 2019

What's the price point?

Spacefruit · Dec 11, 2019

With a offering like this, it’s a gamble.

Those photos I can hardly be sure of a step.

If it’s a private seller and those are the best shots he can make then your offer has to be lower than if it was a well photographed and identified dealer watch (less risk)

However if it’s a dealer then I wouldn’t go any further - find one who can use an iPhone.

And a shot in the dark for us without a price.

Although on the surface it looks correct but I cannot judge the value

Toishome · Dec 11, 2019

Yeah, I was about to say the same about the step on the dial. It doesn't appear there is one from those pictures but then again they are terrible pictures 😁

OMEGuy · Dec 11, 2019

Case and bracelet have been polished to a grade I wouldn't like.

Dial is not what I'd expect on this reference. Must be a service part.

The hands appear to be relumed.

Crown is wrong.

The bezel looks ok.

abrod520 · Dec 11, 2019

That's not the right dial, it's from later in the '70s or the '80s.

Patrik83 · Dec 11, 2019

I agree that the dial is not correct for this reference. You can see that the "Sp" in "Speedmaster" are ending, which is wrong.
Here is the OP watch:

Here is a 145.012-69 with correct dial.

And the watch is quite polished. The bracelet for example should be brushed in the center and shiny on the outside. I wounder if those sides of the watch look the same...

OMEGuy · Dec 11, 2019

http://speedmaster101.com/145-022-69/

Dsplash · Dec 11, 2019

Thanks for the answers! It’s from a private seller

the only focused picture of the dial is the last one.
When I compare it to original examples on speedmaster101, I don’t see differences...It seems to have the stepped subdial and the same typo so what am I missing?

I indeed was afraid the case’s polishing had been a little too strong but would really be unable to say if the bracelet has too from those pictures...

the asking price is 6.9k€ with the bracelet

Dsplash · Dec 11, 2019

Patrik83
I agree that the dial is not correct for this reference. You can see that the "Sp" in "Speedmaster" are ending, which is wrong.
Here is the OP watch:

yes, thank you, that’s pretty clear!

Here is a 145.012-69 with correct dial.

And the watch is quite polished. The bracelet for example should be brushed in the center and shiny on the outside. I wounder if those sides of the watch look the same...

abrod520 · Dec 11, 2019

Dsplash
the asking price is 6.9k€ with the bracelet

Too much even if it had all the correct parts. With that dial it's way way too much

OMEGuy · Dec 11, 2019

Dsplash
Thanks for the answers! It’s from a private seller

the only focused picture of the dial is the last one.
When I compare it to original examples on speedmaster101, I don’t see differences...It seems to have the stepped subdial and the same typo so what am I missing?

I indeed was afraid the case’s polishing had been a little too strong but would really be unable to say if the bracelet has too from those pictures...

the asking price is 6.9k€ with the bracelet

When getting into the world of watches that are more than 50 years old, you have to take a closer look, because most of the time parts were changed within the life of the watch. These are often parts, that are very important for collectors to be genuine and not modified. That's why collectors pay higher prices for non-modified, unmolested watches.

The watch you have shown here has many weak points.

I wouldn't pay anything for it, just because of this reason.

But if you decided to go for it, this is your decision.

You have received some feedback so far and maybe will be able to wait for some more comments to follow.

6.9k€ is far too much in my opinion.

I'd do some research on my own, wait for a better watch and pay even more for it, if it's TRULY the right one.

I personally think, this Speedy is not a good watch to buy.

Make up your mind and thank you for asking for different views in the polite way you did!

Dsplash · Dec 11, 2019

Thanks for the comments!
I didn’t go for it of course, especially with the poor pictures. But you made me realize pressing for better pictures was not necessary!
I’m new to vintage omega so I don’t know yet what details to specially look for when checking a watch so thanks for educating me!

dennisthemenace · Dec 11, 2019

OP, you seem to be confused about what a step dial should look like.

OMEGuy · Dec 11, 2019

Dsplash
Thanks for the comments!
I didn’t go for it of course, especially with the poor pictures. But you made me realize pressing for better pictures was not necessary!
I’m new to vintage omega so I don’t know yet what details to specially look for when checking a watch so thanks for educating me!

Rest assured this exactly the right place to be now and then for what you have in mind.

Dsplash · Dec 11, 2019

dennisthemenace
OP, you seem to be confused about what a step dial should look like.

maybe I am yes! 😁
Isn’t it for the subdials to be a little « below » the rest of the dial?

dennisthemenace · Dec 11, 2019

Dsplash
maybe I am yes! 😁
Isn’t it for the subdials to be a little « below » the rest of the dial?

No, it's not.

OMEGuy · Dec 11, 2019

Dsplash
maybe I am yes! 😁
Isn’t it for the subdials to be a little « below » the rest of the dial?

No. It's that step between the main face of the dial and the outher scale for the minutes.

Sorry, I forgot to answer this question.

If you need pictures, I'll add them here.

Patrik83 · Dec 11, 2019

Dsplash
When I compare it to original examples on speedmaster101, I don’t see differences...It seems to have the stepped subdial and the same typo so what am I missing?

Did you see my post? And I am not seeing a clear step on that dial.
Here is the step (OP on top, correct on bottom)

Maybe you can see that there is a small step that makes a shadow.

Dsplash
I indeed was afraid the case’s polishing had been a little too strong but would really be unable to say if the bracelet has too from those pictures...

the asking price is 6.9k€ with the bracelet

On the left is the OP watch on the right is one that was just sold. Compare the shinyness (or what ever it is called) between them. Right is correct.

The one that was sold (right) can be found here: https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-1039-bracelet-with-516-end-links.105880/

Dsplash · Dec 11, 2019

Ok thanks, I saw it on soeedmaster101 😀
I’ll at least know that now!

In need for some advice on this (145.022 inside)

Dsplash

OMEGuy

Spacefruit

Toishome

OMEGuy

abrod520

Patrik83

OMEGuy

Dsplash

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abrod520

OMEGuy

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