ID Watch - is this a 165.024?

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Thanks Archer. In your experience, to what average daily deviation can fully serviced 552s be regulated?

Well, Omega's tolerances for all these calibers are not exactly tight. Measuring over just 3 positions, Omega allows the average daily rate to be from 0 to +18 seconds a day. For positional variation, they allow 30 seconds over 3 positions at full wind, and 40 seconds over 3 position 24 hours after full wind.

Personally, I check every movement over 6 positions, and for these I would be looking to get to less than 1/2 of what Omega allows as a minimum. It really depends on two things...

1 - the condition of the movement

2 - how much you are willing to spend to get accuracy

Cheers, Al
 
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Well, Omega's tolerances for all these calibers are not exactly tight. Measuring over just 3 positions, Omega allows the average daily rate to be from 0 to +18 seconds a day. For positional variation, they allow 30 seconds over 3 positions at full wind, and 40 seconds over 3 position 24 hours after full wind.

Personally, I check every movement over 6 positions, and for these I would be looking to get to less than 1/2 of what Omega allows as a minimum. It really depends on two things...

1 - the condition of the movement

2 - how much you are willing to spend to get accuracy

Cheers, Al

Thanks Al. Were there any differences in build in the chronometer-rated sister 551 movement used in Constellations? In other words, were the 551 and 552 the same -- but one was adjusted to tighter tolerances? Or did the 551 have additional accuracy due to different build aspects?

And finally, Omega installed a lower jeweled 550 movement for markets like the USA that charged higher import duties on watches with more than 17 jewels. This essentially reduced the jewel count by 7.

Was the 550 a different movement construction altogether, or were the 550 and 552 movements virtually the same but with the 7 jewels in the 550 just replaced with some other type of non-jeweled bearing that wore down at a faster rate?
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Thanks Al. Were there any differences in build in the chronometer-rated sister 551 movement used in Constellations? In other words, were the 551 and 552 the same -- but one was adjusted to tighter tolerances? Or did the 551 have additional accuracy due to different build aspects?

And finally, Omega installed a lower jeweled 550 movement for markets like the USA that charged higher import duties on watches with more than 17 jewels. This essentially reduced the jewel count by 7.

Was the 550 a different movement construction altogether, or were the 550 and 552 movements virtually the same but with the 7 jewels in the 550 just replaced with some other type of non-jeweled bearing that wore down at a faster rate?

The movements are the same for the chronometer and non-chronometer movements. The difference is simply in the level of adjustment.

The additional jewels are in the automatic winding system. For the 17 jewel versions, bushings are used, and the in the others jewels are used.
 
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The movements are the same for the chronometer and non-chronometer movements. The difference is simply in the level of adjustment.

The additional jewels are in the automatic winding system. For the 17 jewel versions, bushings are used, and the in the others jewels are used.

Thanks! Do the bushings in the winding system of the 17 jewel version tend to wear out over time? Do watchmakers ever replace the bushings with jewels when servicing?

What was Omega's daily rate factory tolerance for the 551 chronometer grade movement used in Constellations?

Sorry for all the questions!!
 
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Thanks! Do the bushings in the winding system of the 17 jewel version tend to wear out over time? Do watchmakers ever replace the bushings with jewels when servicing?

What was Omega's daily rate factory tolerance for the 551 chronometer grade movement used in Constellations?

Sorry for all the questions!!

Yes, they wear out. Someone could use jewels, but most people want things to stay original.

The spec for the chronometer grade movements would have been whatever that spec was in the day - not sure what that was, but now everything is what I posted above.
 
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Hi all! Finally I am about the get the watch back! It is a 165.024 caliber 552. They asked me if I wanted to polish it for it to look new and I think as per this thread which recommend not to, I said no after a slight hesitation! Is that the correct course of action?
 
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Hi all! Finally I am about the get the watch back! It is a 165.024 caliber 552. They asked me if I wanted to polish it for it to look new and I think as per this thread which recommend not to, I said no after a slight hesitation! Is that the correct course of action?
Whatever you choose is "correct", since it's yours. There's no harm in not doing it.
 
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Looking forward to see the finished result.

I'm also in Brighton area and have used a number of UK watchmakers over the years. Did you use Simon in the end?
 
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ahh. I went to Hepinstalls in Worthing. A watch maker friend of mine recommend them.
 
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I did take a long time, 3 months, but part of it was due to the postal strikes. not sure if this tends to be normal!
 
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PS - the watch strap isn't original. If I want to give it a strap that matches the caliber of the watch.... what should I look to get?
 
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PS - the watch strap isn't original. If I want to give it a strap that matches the caliber of the watch.... what should I look to get?
Presumably something with 552 in the name...
 
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Presumably something with 552 in the name...
Someone with very little knowledge asks for the correct bracelet and you give him this answer? 🤦

@asdrubalex Without knowing the exact production date, it is difficult to say. There is a chart buried somewhere here in the forum, where production dates and bracelets are listed, but I cannot find it.
Most probably, a 1039 bracelet with 516 endlinks are correct to the watch. But these are quite expensive. So personally, I would stick to some less expensive versions. Others may give some recommendations.

Edit: Chart found: https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-speedmaster-bracelet-chart.29051/
 
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The appropriate original Omega bracelets are very expensive.

One of these should fit and is appropriate for the watch:

https://forstnerbands.com/collectio...rary-flat-link-bracelet-for-omega-speedmaster
https://forstnerbands.com/collectio...tner-flat-link-bracelet-for-omega-speedmaster
https://unclestraps.com/collections...t-link-bracelet-for-omega-speedmaster-19-20mm

In all instances, you want the 20mm pre-2021 (when specified) Speedmaster flat-link bracelet. The Seamaster 300 case fits the same bracelets as the Speedmaster of that era.

Were I asked for a recommendation, it would be the "Contemporary Flat-Link Bracelet" from Forstner with brushed center links and polished outer links.
 
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No watch today! last minute in testing they said something seems a bit worn (more so than thought) and they are going to order a part from omega to replace it at no extra cost. a bit miffed it wasn't identified sooner but... probably these things happen?
 
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Someone with very little knowledge asks for the correct bracelet and you give him this answer? 🤦

@asdrubalex Without knowing the exact production date, it is difficult to say. There is a chart buried somewhere here in the forum, where production dates and bracelets are listed, but I cannot find it.
Most probably, a 1039 bracelet with 516 endlinks are correct to the watch. But these are quite expensive. So personally, I would stick to some less expensive versions. Others may give some recommendations.

Edit: Chart found: https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-speedmaster-bracelet-chart.29051/
thank you!!!
 
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The bezel looks like a 1966/1967 manufacture.

Omega used tritium during this period. Interestingly, your dial doesn't appear to have "T" markings, indicating tritium, on either side of "Swiss Made." Also of note, your dial doesn't seem to have any patination. If it is authentic, it could be an Omega factory luminova service dial. That would reduce value because collectors of old 300s like the original tritium dial due to the aged look of rotting tritium on luminous material.

Is the crown pulled out in your photo? If not, the crown might be aftermarket (not OEM) and therefore might not offer water resistance.

The bracelet is not original to the watch. Forstner sells bracelets that will fit this watch for a reasonable price. You need 20mm. I like the 1450 Speedmaster bracelet on the 300. The original bracelet would have been a 1039 flat link or 1116. You can also buy an 1171 or Apollo 11 50th flat link bracelet from Omega, but the Omega bracelets will be significantly more expensive than Forstner.

If the watch is original/authentic, you should insure it as these can sell for $10k or more. I don't know for certain if your watch is authentic due to the dial observations I noted above.

Here is a good resource: https://www.omegaseamaster300.com/

If you don't know the service history, I would assume the rubber gaskets and seals are rotted, and I would not let the watch come in contact with any water until you have all the rubber seals/gaskets replaced by a watchmaker and pressure tested. Also make sure that the crown is OEM. Does the crown have an Omega logo on the side? There were two crowns for this model -- a thin Niad crown and a later, longer screw down crown. The Omega long screw down crown was an update to this model that corrected some issues with the earlier Niad crown. The factory Omega long screw down crown for this model should still be available through Omega as a replacement part.


Coming back to this - Is the fact that hands are and dial are service replacements a big impact on the value? The watch maker did tell me it is an original authentic omega... is it a negligible difference? (10-20%?) or a massive difference (50-60%?)
 
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I would love it to be water proof again, definitely not diving but perhaps more swimming / showering level

Just say no to any water. Those bakelite bezels don't like moisture.