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Icelandic Scammer Update - Stefan Birgir Stefansson and Magnus Sigurdsson

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While I was reading this thread early on, I thought, as many others did, that the purloined watch was not coming back. Like many others, I was pleased to be mistaken and happy to see the watch returned.

For a brief day or three, I thought perhaps that the scammer was reading these forums daily and was just stringing along guaranteed.rohu and having a laugh at the expense of those here. Seeing a shipment prepared with no watch in sight, reinforced my feeling that more candles were on the way.

I doubt a hardened criminal would have returned the watch without having first been arrested and ordered by a court to make restitution in return for a lighter sentence, perhaps probation in the case of a conviction for a first offense.

Does he live with his grandmother or did he simply use her address?

He's only begun his acts of restitution. There are other watches to be returned. Perhaps, in time, he will redeem himself. Time will tell.

In the meantime, reports of restitution may find their way into this thread and anyone with sufficient interest to read it through, will know the guy is mending his ways.

Alternatively, if he merely never "trades" another watch this thread will become dormant and fall back in the searches.
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queriver
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I might have missed something in these 16 pages but was it confirmed Stefan Birgir Stefansson and/or Magnus Sigurdsson are the real names of the perpetrator/s? On p2 @guaranteed.rohu wrote the perpetrator promised to send an image of his id alongside the watch but didn't follow thru. So is it still possible this was done using stolen or borrowed identities?
 
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queriver queriver
I might have missed something in these 16 pages but was it confirmed Stefan Birgir Stefansson and/or Magnus Sigurdsson are the real names of the perpetrator/s? So is it still possible this was done using stolen or borrowed identities?

I can hardly imagine a thief using fake ID would be returning stolen goods. The only reason the watch has been returned is because the thief has been unmasked, so I would assume one of the two names is definitely the low life thief
 
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So besmirching Stephan or Magnus or whatever his name is doesn’t bother me one bit- if you can’t to the time, don’t do the crime. I agree, a rock through the window, if this is actually a real event- is over the top. It should never become physical or end in destruction of property- that’s what leads to a breakdown in civility and reflects poorly on all of us.
Where I do have a problem, is besmirching the brand Titus. The bad Delhi special that was sent does not represent a once fine brand- my Titus takes offense.

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So besmirching Stephan or Magnus or whatever his name is doesn’t bother me one bit- if you can’t to the time, don’t do the crime. I agree, a rock through the window, if this is actually a real event- is over the top. It should never become physical or end in destruction of property- that’s what leads to a breakdown in civility and reflects poorly on all of us.
Where I do have a problem, is besmirching the brand Titus. The bad Delhi special that was sent does not represent a once fine brand- my Titus takes offense.

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You are welcome to throw that through my window
 
Shabbaz
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@Shabbaz, I might agree with your points if you made them 10 or 15 years after an offender turned around, had a clean life and was still plagued by a problem of his/her own doing (that won't go away because of the internet). There's no way I agree with your sentiments two days after the so called turn around.
I'm not talking about now...
 
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Let’s face it he feels bad because he got caught. No redemption yet.
 
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BlackTalon BlackTalon
Right now he is only showing that he is a scheming , underhanded person. That will not turn around the day he returns two watches. How about this -- if he serves enough meaningful jail time to get rehabbed (6 months or more) than his name comes down from OF. If he does not have to serve any meaningful time, it stays up here forever.

...he will not serve 6 months or more, and I hope his name stays up forever. This is a person who lies, cheats and steals, and shows zero remorse.
BlackTalon BlackTalon
Right now he is only showing that he is a scheming , underhanded person. That will not turn around the day he returns two watches. How about this -- if he serves enough meaningful jail time to get rehabbed (6 months or more) than his name comes down from OF. If he

So you're saying 2 or 4 months of jail time is not meaningful? Do you have any experience with jail time? Did you ever do time? It's a very different world. With very different people and rules. And this amateur thief who is sending watches back after his name is exposed does'nt seem to be a hardened criminal but a sad figure behind a computer who is ripping people of on the internet. I dont think he will have a nice time in jail. Although I think jailtime in Iceland is very different than other countries.
 
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I wonder if the other person who got scammed ever got his watch back. He seemed distraught and I felt immensely sorry for him :/
 
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Shabbaz Shabbaz
So you're saying 2 or 4 months of jail time is not meaningful?
Yes, that is what I am saying -- maybe if he were in the US I would think different (no way Icelandic jails are like many in the US). This is an intentionally deceitful person who is only returning a couple of watches because the police are coming after him. And he has been continuing to lie and deceive. That will not be 'broken' in a few weeks (if ever). Prison would be more suitable, but let's be real, 'petty' theft like this will typically not land someone in prison unless it is in an authoritative country. And that rubs me the wrong way, as because there was no violence associated with the crime it means they got off very lightly. Yet this type of person will likely commit bigger and bigger forms of white collar crimes, as the penalty is often minor. This person has had ZERO remorse in bilking people out of property that they worked hard to afford.
 
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Yes, that is what I am saying -- maybe if he were in the US I would think different (no way Icelandic jails are like many in the US). This is an intentionally deceitful person who is only returning a couple of watches because the police are coming after him. And he has been continuing to lie and deceive. That will not be 'broken' in a few weeks (if ever). Prison would be more suitable, but let's be real, 'petty' theft like this will typically not land someone in prison unless it is in an authoritative country. And that rubs me the wrong way, as because there was no violence associated with the crime it means they got off very lightly. Yet this type of person will likely commit bigger and bigger forms of white collar crimes, as the penalty is often minor. This person has had ZERO remorse in bilking people out of property that they worked hard to afford.
Than I would suggest to spend 4 months in jail and tell me later how it was... I know a client who got raped in two days after he went to jail. And he was a former history teacher who turned to alcohol after a divorse and later commited a crime...
 
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Yes. Someone flew to Iceland just to throw a brick through his grandmother's window. Extremely plausible...

I mean, if you travelled all that way, you'd at least want to punch her or something.
 
Shabbaz
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BlackTalon BlackTalon
Was this in the US?
No. And I have lots of stories more about jail time. It's not a fun place to be.
 
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Shabbaz Shabbaz
Than I would suggest to spend 4 months in jail and tell me later how it was... I know a client who got raped in two days after he went to jail. And he was a former history teacher who turned to alcohol after a divorse and later commited a crime...

 
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No. And I have lots of stories more about jail time. It's not a fun place to be.

I don't think it's supposed to be fun...
 
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There are minimum security jails. Essentially minimal supervision and you go around planting gardens and stuff.

That's about the type of jail he'll probably be sent to, *if* it ever happens. Highly doubtful.
 
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Yet faced with the possibility of a consequence like this, Stefan/ Magnus had zero qualms about stealing from other people... (and possibly zero qualms using a relative's name!) That is precisely while jails and prisons exist. And anyone who goes typically will have a public record of it that sticks with them the rest of their life.

Do you want to be the one this guy cheats out of a few hundred thousand dollars 10 years from now because his history of stealing from others was deleted? I sure as heck do not feel like he is owed anything by society at this point in time.
 
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Shabbaz Shabbaz
Perhaps time for a different (perhaps unpopular) sound. I have assisted many perpetrators in my life. Some were incorruptible lawbreakers, but there was also a part that simply made wrong choices, of which others were the victims. These people must be punished and the victims must be compensated (preferably with a regret from the perpetrator). However, afterwards someone must be able to continue with their life. And the question is if someone's name is forever visible on the internet as being a scammer, then the question is whether that is in the interest of the individual but also of society. After all, if someone cannot measure a job because of this, the risk of recidivism is considerable. Moreover, I believe that someone should be able to make a new start after his sentence. I understand that there will be little sympathy for this position at the moment, but we are all not flawless.
I hear what you are saying. I worked in detention, jails and halfway houses for years. Some people screw up, do their time, try to change but their record greatly limits what they can do in the future. This guy here wasn’t committing a one off act in the heat of passion he obviously put a lot of thought and time into it and was a repeat offender. I’m all for second chances but there is a reason why expungements and pardons go through a stringent process. To see the time and thought this idiot put into his scam would, in the real world, give pause to anyone granting expungement. He didn’t return a watch because he felt bad he returned it because he is caught out and trying to save his hide if possible. We know at least three forums he hit people on and more are coming forward. Good night magnus, where ever you are
 
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