Icelandic Scammer Update - Stefan Birgir Stefansson and Magnus Sigurdsson

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In order for google to link and prioritise the name Stefan Birgir Stefansson and Icelandic scammer it should be repeated in as many posts as possible.

I really hope Stefan Birgir Stefansson from Iceland is beginning to sweat as his identify as a serial scammer has been revealed. And maybe Stefan Birgir Stefansson really does get a knock on the door from the Iceland police and gets a criminal record for his watch scams.

Seems to have worked....

 
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I guess if both parties send their watches to a neutral trusted watchmaker, like @Archer, @ChrisN, @JimInOz or Simon Freese could be the middleman. But then what's in it for them? Why would they want to take the risk and hassle of getting in the middle of two individuals?

Speaking personally, I have a strict policy of not getting in the middle of a watch transaction between two other parties. For example, I've had people who have purchased a watch from someone, and asked if the seller can send it directly to me for service, rather than to the buyer.

I always refuse - the buyer needs to take possession of the watch first, determine if the watch was as described by the seller, and deal with any issues related to that on their own. Once they determine that the watch meets their expectations, then they can send it to me for service. I don't want to be the middleman...so for me personally, the idea of brokering trades would be a hard pass.

Cheers, Al
 
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I always refuse
It's for the best, rather than putting your reputation, and your business, on the line.
 
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Speaking personally, I have a strict policy of not getting in the middle of a watch transaction between two other parties. For example, I've had people who have purchased a watch from someone, and asked if the seller can send it directly to me for service, rather than to the buyer.

I always refuse - the buyer needs to take possession of the watch first, determine if the watch was as described by the seller, and deal with any issues related to that on their own. Once they determine that the watch meets their expectations, then they can send it to me for service. I don't want to be the middleman...so for me personally, the idea of brokering trades would be a hard pass.

Cheers, Al

This makes so much sense.

With that said, a service that offered strong identity verification and authentication and could act as a financial broker for a fee would be invaluable. Sounds like I'm just describing Chrono24 though.
 
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This makes so much sense.

With that said, a service that offered strong identity verification and authentication and could act as a financial broker for a fee would be invaluable. Sounds like I'm just describing Chrono24 though.
Yeah, but you don鈥檛 send it to Chrono24 to make the exchange. That鈥檚 the valuable part- having an intermediary confirm receipt. But as Archer said, too much liability scammers can blame the intermediary saying they sent the proper watch and it was switched or blame the post or whatever- it鈥檚 all way too fraught with potential disaster.
 
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I think an intermediary will just create extra levels of disagreement, in many cases, & add more cost.
People will never have the same attitude to descriptors of used watches. Look at the many threads discussing NOS & what it means.
 
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I guess if both parties send their watches to a neutral trusted watchmaker, like @Archer, @ChrisN, @JimInOz or Simon Freese could be the middleman. But then what's in it for them? Why would they want to take the risk and hassle of getting in the middle of two individuals?.........

Speaking personally, I have a strict policy of not getting in the middle of a watch transaction between two other parties. For example, I've had people who have purchased a watch from someone, and asked if the seller can send it directly to me for service, rather than to the buyer.

I always refuse - the buyer needs to take possession of the watch first, determine if the watch was as described by the seller, and deal with any issues related to that on their own. Once they determine that the watch meets their expectations, then they can send it to me for service. I don't want to be the middleman...so for me personally, the idea of brokering trades would be a hard pass.

Cheers, Al

I agree with Al.

In the past I've purchased parts on behalf of forum members and sent them on.
However, a complete watch that can't be viewed/validated is another matter.
Maybe if I was able to inspect the watch and advise the buyer prior to any commitment, but it would be a "job for a mate" basis only.
 
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OF poll - chances that this is a lie? I think it'd be paying out $1.01 if I was a betting agency.

 
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OF poll - chances that this is a lie? I think it'd be paying out $1.01 if I was a betting agency.



Tell him to report it to the police.
 
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OF poll - chances that this is a lie? I think it'd be paying out $1.01 if I was a betting agency.


Isn't there a thing about sociopaths being unable to take responsibility for their actions, blaming anything negative in their lives on others?

He should be thanking you for being so lenient, the jumped up little shit. If someone had scammed me out of that amount of money and I had their address, if it was a reasonably short trip, I'd be on a plane and not to have a conversation with them.
 
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What's he whining to you about, you didn't steal the rock thrower's watch or money!

You reap what you sow in this life and a thieving little 馃が like that deserves everything he's got coming to him
 
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OF poll - chances that this is a lie? I think it'd be paying out $1.01 if I was a betting agency.

So was he using his Grandmother鈥檚 address for the scams ?

I don鈥檛 see another plausible explanation. If he wasn鈥檛, then it would have to be someone who knows him and his grandmother, in which case I doubt they鈥檇 be chucking a rock through her window instead of his.
 
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Perhaps time for a different (perhaps unpopular) sound. I have assisted many perpetrators in my life. Some were incorruptible lawbreakers, but there was also a part that simply made wrong choices, of which others were the victims. These people must be punished and the victims must be compensated (preferably with a regret from the perpetrator). However, afterwards someone must be able to continue with their life. And the question is if someone's name is forever visible on the internet as being a scammer, then the question is whether that is in the interest of the individual but also of society. After all, if someone cannot measure a job because of this, the risk of recidivism is considerable. Moreover, I believe that someone should be able to make a new start after his sentence. I understand that there will be little sympathy for this position at the moment, but we are all not flawless.
 
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He's lying.
 
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Perhaps time for a different (perhaps unpopular) sound. I have assisted many perpetrators in my life. Some were incorruptible lawbreakers, but there was also a part that simply made wrong choices, of which others were the victims. These people must be punished and the victims must be compensated (preferably with a regret from the perpetrator). However, afterwards someone must be able to continue with their life. And the question is if someone's name is forever visible on the internet as being a scammer, then the question is whether that is in the interest of the individual but also of society. After all, if someone cannot measure a job because of this, the risk of recidivism is considerable. Moreover, I believe that someone should be able to make a new start after his sentence. I understand that there will be little sympathy for this position at the moment, but we are all not flawless.

Sorry, if your a thief your a thief. You can become a Chef, a Bricklayer, a Doctor, a Florist whatever you want but Honest

You know the saying anything you put on the internet is there forever

If your steal on the internet it鈥檚 there forever
 
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@Shabbaz, I might agree with your points if you made them 10 or 15 years after an offender turned around, had a clean life and was still plagued by a problem of his/her own doing (that won't go away because of the internet). There's no way I agree with your sentiments two days after the so called turn around.
 
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Right now he is only showing that he is a scheming , underhanded person. That will not turn around the day he returns two watches. How about this -- if he serves enough meaningful jail time to get rehabbed (6 months or more) than his name comes down from OF. If he does not have to serve any meaningful time, it stays up here forever.

...he will not serve 6 months or more, and I hope his name stays up forever. This is a person who lies, cheats and steals, and shows zero remorse.