I Sold My 2021 3861 Speedy Hesalite Already!

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Thanks for sharing your experience with the new 3861. I like that this is a forum where folks share their points of view, and in general it's a fairly friendly place with moderators who don't tolerate the sort of stuff seen on the other forums most of us also frequent.

I've owned the sapphire 3861 for one week. I'm not planning on selling it. Let me share why that's the case in light of your comments.

1. I seldom flip watches and usually have an emotional connection to each purchase. Sure, I've sold a white Mark XV and an Ingenieur due to both requiring warranty service and a lack of responsiveness from Richemont. I also unloaded a WG Saxonia after 7y, deciding that having it and a similar dress watch were more than I wanted to own. There's also that used Sinn 856 that I had for like a month. The only flipping regret? Selling my first ST1.

2. It's exciting to have the first fundamentally new Moonwatch since the 861s started production. It was thrilling seeing the early news late last year, and then hoping for a big splash on the first SpeedyTuesday of the month, which actually happened! Coupling that with my awesome SA at the local OB reaching out and learning I could get one of the first watches in the US is a lot of fun, too. -Don't think I've ever done that before, getting a watch at its launch!

3. This watch comes at a very historically significant moment and will forever be tied to going through the heaviness of the COVID-19 pandemic and then the recent disastrous political events of last week. In other words, it's something that is full of optimism and hope, compared to what we've all been suffering through lately.

4. It was of some risk to get the watch, as the case rates are still crappy and there's the more virulent strain out there. Never have I been in such a hurry to get out of the OB! That's something I'll remember, too, having to brave COVID-19 to pick up a time piece. Needing to be given black rubber gloves so I could touch a Snoopy they had (not for sale!?).

5. I am happy with the METAS rating, the stepped dial, display back (esp. the font), bracelet size, pushers, style, and fit. So, I'm fortunate that it works for me. I'll probably put it on the Omega velcro strap at some point. I currently wear my 1861 hesalite more though as it's been beaten up a lot and I worry less about bashing it as a clumsy left-handed boomer.

6. I'm very happy with Omega as a brand and Moonwatches as a watch. I connect closely to that history. I've no love for Rolex these days, in spite of having a 16710 that has been in my possession since I bought it in 1997. Their current sales model doesn't work for me at many levels, which is now where we are with PP and AP, too.

So, yeah, most of this reply is not about the watch directly, but I am really happy with the watch. Really!

Thanks again for sharing!
Mind if I ask what your accuracy has been like?
 
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I think we have very different ideas about what the term "long story short" means! An extra micro adjustment hole would definitely be nice. I do like the new bracelet and clasp, but Omega could have made the clasp just a tiny bit longer to allow a better fit. I suspect they will do that with future versions.
 
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience on this new Speedmaster. I wanted to buy this one in the end of 2021, when the hype is over, but as more as I read - I'm definetely convincing myself on jumping on the previous one on Forstner or a US bracelet. Once again - thank you!
 
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That last link looks terrible if you wear on the outer hole. I don’t know what they were thinking. It’s not the same on the Apollo 11 flat link and that has a thin clasp also.

I love the details and what they’ve tried to do here with the vintage look but for me they are an end link and maybe a couple of adjustment holes away from having hit the mark. I love the tapering (like the Apollo 11 flat link) but when you taper so much you need a good fit to avoid top heaviness.
 
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To the OP, all valid points from your personal experience of a watch but I don’t think you’ll be the only person here to have bought something in the heat of the moment, so to speak, that after a few days doesn’t quite measure up to what you imagined it to be.

I have purchased watches that I’ve talked myself into ‘needing’ in a short space of time only to realise that they are always a slight disappointment. I’m coming round to realise that time is needed before buying to truly know if I want a watch or I’m just excited by the idea/hype/buzz.

I actually think selling it so quickly is the right thing to do, if you don’t love it instantly I don’t think you ever will.
 
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To the OP, all valid points from your personal experience of a watch but I don’t think you’ll be the only person here to have bought something in the heat of the moment, so to speak, that after a few days doesn’t quite measure up to what you imagined it to be.

I have purchased watches that I’ve talked myself into ‘needing’ in a short space of time only to realise that they are always a slight disappointment. I’m coming round to realise that time is needed before buying to truly know if I want a watch or I’m just excited by the idea/hype/buzz.

I actually think selling it so quickly is the right thing to do, if you don’t love it instantly I don’t think you ever will.
This is a sensible post. I remember once I bought the commanders watch having got all excited at having seen it in the AD window which I frequent. As soon as I walked out the door, I knew I’d made a mistake and moved it on quickly afterwards. This is of course not related to the OP’s experience but it’s easy to do all the same.

these days I’m more considered when I buy. Of course things are slightly different now, as the physical activity of trying watches on is more difficult in the current circumstances.

love the username btw - my fave darts player of all time 👍
 
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Thanks stevec14, not sure Jocky was a speedmaster fan, more gold Rolex territory I’d guess (nothing wrong with gold Rolex’s of course).

I honestly think the internet has made rash purchases more frequent and brands hype more invasive. How many of us have spent hours in the evening looking at a watch on countless sites and YouTube to finally add to basket. To wake up in the morning to regret it. I know I have. The internet can make it Christmas every day which is not always a good thing.
 
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Mind if I ask what your accuracy has been like?

I haven't been timing systematically...so today I just aligned my watches and will reply tomorrow...I don't have one of those watchmaker things.

While waiting, here is the METAS data for the 50th Apollo and the new Speedy Sapphire:

50th Apollo (SN 82.42M), Average daily precision: 3.1s/day
New Sapphire Speedy (SN 83.26M), Average daily precision: 4.1s/day
 
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Price of the 1861 just went up 😗
 
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I appreciate the in-depth write up of such a new release. My 1861 is only 1 year old this month so I'll be holding off for the time being in purchasing another Speedy. Unless my AD comes through as promised with the Silver Snoopy in Q1.
 
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I can't say I ever flipped a watch in four days, but, I do know collectors who bought special limited editions and sold them immediately, happened frequently with Audemars Piguet and Panerai back in the day. I remember some guys getting a watch for 20k and turning around and selling it for near 40K...

FIFY: ... but, I do know flippers who bought special limited editions and sold them immediately...
 
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Great write up! And the real world (not something that's been overly edited or filtered on a website) pictures with the 1861 next to the 3861 are helpful to those considering the newer model. There certainly some aspects that I like better on the 3861 (dial contrast/depth for one....) and some that I don't. These type of reviews are great since they give the reader objective characteristics to asses and and form their own opinion on which model is right for them. bravo!
 
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FIFY: ... but, I do know flippers who bought special limited editions and sold them immediately...
Yes, but, that is how those particular "collectors" fund their collection
 
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In the UK the outgoing Hesalite speedy is being bought up by collectors as many ADs were giving up to 20% off list making it a huge £2000 less than the new equivalent.

One particular seasoned dealer told me he spent the day on the phone buying as many as he could afford, he said they will go in the safe and come to market in a few years, not that you wear the box and presentation but he also commented that you don’t get any goodies with the new one either.

I must admit I’m looking for my first vintage speedy but might try to get 20% off the old one and put a nice molequin leather strap on it. I’ll then have a new watch with a gorgeous vintage looking strap for Only £3500 all in.
 
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...I hate to say it, but I think one of the reasons why the engineers at Omega opted not to do this is because they would have been criticized for trying to copy the Rolex day-date bracelet. The other problem I had is the taper was a bit too aggressive. With a 15mm clasp taper and a 42mm watch head, there was enough of an imbalance with the watch being either too loose or too tight that the head would shift when it was loose and almost pinch my wrist with those rounded links. A more balanced watch to bracelet ratio would have prevented this.

In my opinion, the best bracelet Omega made is the 1450. It has the flat links inside and it tapers to 15.75mm. I can get a perfect fit. It is my all time favorite.


 
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In my opinion, the best bracelet Omega made is the 1450. It has the flat links inside and it tapers to 15.75mm. I can get a perfect fit. It is my all time favorite.


And even better, pivoted end links by the looks of it! Great bracelet for making watches wear their actual size....
 
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Thanks for sharing your experience with the new 3861. I like that this is a forum where folks share their points of view, and in general it's a fairly friendly place with moderators who don't tolerate the sort of stuff seen on the other forums most of us also frequent.

I've owned the sapphire 3861 for one week. I'm not planning on selling it. Let me share why that's the case in light of your comments.

1. I seldom flip watches and usually have an emotional connection to each purchase. Sure, I've sold a white Mark XV and an Ingenieur due to both requiring warranty service and a lack of responsiveness from Richemont. I also unloaded a WG Saxonia after 7y, deciding that having it and a similar dress watch were more than I wanted to own. There's also that used Sinn 856 that I had for like a month. The only flipping regret? Selling my first ST1.

2. It's exciting to have the first fundamentally new Moonwatch since the 861s started production. It was thrilling seeing the early news late last year, and then hoping for a big splash on the first SpeedyTuesday of the month, which actually happened! Coupling that with my awesome SA at the local OB reaching out and learning I could get one of the first watches in the US is a lot of fun, too. -Don't think I've ever done that before, getting a watch at its launch!

3. This watch comes at a very historically significant moment and will forever be tied to going through the heaviness of the COVID-19 pandemic and then the recent disastrous political events of last week. In other words, it's something that is full of optimism and hope, compared to what we've all been suffering through lately.

4. It was of some risk to get the watch, as the case rates are still crappy and there's the more virulent strain out there. Never have I been in such a hurry to get out of the OB! That's something I'll remember, too, having to brave COVID-19 to pick up a time piece. Needing to be given black rubber gloves so I could touch a Snoopy they had (not for sale!?).

5. I am happy with the METAS rating, the stepped dial, display back (esp. the font), bracelet size, pushers, style, and fit. So, I'm fortunate that it works for me. I'll probably put it on the Omega velcro strap at some point. I currently wear my 1861 hesalite more though as it's been beaten up a lot and I worry less about bashing it as a clumsy left-handed boomer.

6. I'm very happy with Omega as a brand and Moonwatches as a watch. I connect closely to that history. I've no love for Rolex these days, in spite of having a 16710 that has been in my possession since I bought it in 1997. Their current sales model doesn't work for me at many levels, which is now where we are with PP and AP, too.

So, yeah, most of this reply is not about the watch directly, but I am really happy with the watch. Really!

Thanks again for sharing!

Thank you for your perspective, both technical and personal. Congrats on being one of the first owners of a 2021 Speedmaster.
 
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@Taddyangle I have a 1984 Heuer 2000 Chrono (262.006) with a bracelet like that, too! -Currently on loan to my brother-in-law, or I'd send a pic.
 
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Interesting.... I have exact same size wrists... so the one to get is the new Sapphire sandwich with the cheaper leather strap and swap out the strap? Say for a $125 Forstner Komfit or a NASA Nato?
 
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In my opinion, the best bracelet Omega made is the 1450. It has the flat links inside and it tapers to 15.75mm. I can get a perfect fit. It is my all time favorite.


That looks really odd with the end link clearly well above the twisted lug..