I don't understand the recent Rolex SS craze/shortage. What am I missing?

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True - but any interruption of current operations (i.e. closing cooperation with a distributor and appointing another one) is always a painful exercise. They need to find legal ground for ceasing the contract, probably they have no solid proof of wrongdoing, and of course there is no guarantee that the new distributor will do it differently. Going direct could be a way out but it is always more expensive so with brick and mortar setup. From e-commerce they probably want to stay away... So, it is easier to stick to what they know and what they've done for years. Don't get me wrong - i am not defending them, just trying to share that probably from their financial stand point it is just not worth it to dig into this so deep. And of course you are right that who suffers the most is the end-customer, which is a real shame.

Exactly, the last thing Rolex wants is people "reporting" on AD misbehaviour. For Rolex that's nothing but trouble that they don't want to deal with.
 
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need to find legal ground for ceasing the contract, probably they have no solid proof of wrongdoing, and of course there is no guarantee that the new distributor will do it differently.

not to disagree or agree with anything else you noted, but to point out that the above-quoted is unknown but likely not true

I don’t know of any available copies of a contemporary Rolex AD contract. But last year in connection with a lawsuit one AD contract was made public, dating from the 90’s/early 2000’s I believe. In that contract, Rolex had absolute and singular authority to terminate in its sole discretion for any reason whatsoever. This is not a surprising arrangement for a party with wildly disproportionate leverage.

While we don’t have a contemporary contract, I can’t imagine that since the 1990’s Rolex has lost its leverage or loosened its terms for ADs in this respect. If anything, given the history of Rolex since the 1990’s to today, I’d expect a Rolex to have gotten more not less draconian.

So? Whatever else may be true of Rolex’s view of ADs, I do not think Rolex’s thinking has anything to do with contractual troubles of terminating an AD relationship.
 
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But last year in connection with a lawsuit one AD contract was made public, dating from the 90’s/early 2000’s I believe. In that contract, Rolex had absolute and singular authority to terminate in its sole discretion for any reason whatsoever.

For sure there is and was an unbalanced relationship between Rolex and its ADs. But you also indicated yourself that there was a lawsuit between both parties. I don't know the details of that battle but what it shows is that even after signig such an unbalanced contract the AD will still want to put up a fight. And that in itself is a pain in the bottom - even for Rolex.
 
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For sure there is and was an unbalanced relationship between Rolex and its ADs. But you also indicated yourself that there was a lawsuit between both parties. I don't know the details of that battle but what it shows is that even after signig such an unbalanced contract the AD will still want to put up a fight. And that in itself is a pain in the bottom - even for Rolex.

The lawsuit was between the AD and their employees - Rolex not involved.
 
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The lawsuit was between the AD and their employees - Rolex not involved.
My bad, thank you for straightening
 
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Wasn’t sure whether to post in this thread or the “how often do you see a nice watch in public” thread, but:

In NYC on business for the last several days, specifically for design week and the International Contemporary Furniture Fair. Accordingly, I’m spending much of my time in networking events amongst high-end industrial and modern furniture designers. And, the epicenter of these activities is around SoHo, Chelsea, NoLita and the other “it” places-to-be-seen.

The number of Rolexes is staggering. From 50+ year-old successful modern furniture executives and designers, to young women sitting at coffeeshops, everywhere you look there are stainless and TT Rolexes.

At last night’s event I saw a hesalite 3861, and was wearing my NEW321, but saw at least a dozen others in modern SS Rolex sports watches.

 
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Wasn’t sure whether to post in this thread or the “how often do you see a nice watch in public” thread, but:

In NYC on business for the last several days, specifically for design week and the International Contemporary Furniture Fair. Accordingly, I’m spending much of my time in networking events amongst high-end industrial and modern furniture designers. And, the epicenter of these activities is around SoHo, Chelsea, NoLita and the other “it” places-to-be-seen.

The number of Rolexes is staggering. From 50+ year-old successful modern furniture executives and designers, to young women sitting at coffeeshops, everywhere you look there are stainless and TT Rolexes.

At last night’s event I saw a hesalite 3861, and was wearing my NEW321, but saw at least a dozen others in modern SS Rolex sports watches.
Yeah, I was in NYC last week, and the same. I actually brought only a Datejust with me because of all the horror stories, so wanted something fairly inconspicuous. But, to your point, Rolex was in every other wrist. especially the smaller women DJ and OP versions
 
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not to disagree or agree with anything else you noted, but to point out that the above-quoted is unknown but likely not true

I don’t know of any available copies of a contemporary Rolex AD contract. But last year in connection with a lawsuit one AD contract was made public, dating from the 90’s/early 2000’s I believe. In that contract, Rolex had absolute and singular authority to terminate in its sole discretion for any reason whatsoever. This is not a surprising arrangement for a party with wildly disproportionate leverage.

While we don’t have a contemporary contract, I can’t imagine that since the 1990’s Rolex has lost its leverage or loosened its terms for ADs in this respect. If anything, given the history of Rolex since the 1990’s to today, I’d expect a Rolex to have gotten more not less draconian.

So? Whatever else may be true of Rolex’s view of ADs, I do not think Rolex’s thinking has anything to do with contractual troubles of terminating an AD relationship.

I wouldn’t be surprised if most manufacturers have a similar clause in their AD contract. One of the local independent jewelers was a long-time Grand Seiko dealer - one of the first in the country. But Grand Seiko decided recently to move to another dealer — part of a chain who can buy more watches at a corporate level to distribute to their many stores.

This local jeweler also used to be an AD for Omega and Blancpain and they also pulled their license in the last several years.
 
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I was told by a jeweler who once was a Rolex AD (and it took them 10 years to get it back) that they lost their status back in the early 00’s because they got secret shopped. They committed several heinous crimes including:

Not wearing white gloves while handling a Rolex

Not using a Rolex green mat to present the Rolex (they used a store branded mat)

And worst of all, presenting other watches that the shopper requested to see on the same mat with Rolex products!! 😲

Some betrayals take time to heal. Plus there were a few other jewelers in the area vying for the AD status, so there was that.
 
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I actually brought only a Datejust with me because of all the horror stories, so wanted something fairly inconspicuous. But, to your point, Rolex was in every other wrist. especially the smaller women DJ and OP versions

I believe the horror stories have been vastly overblown.

Like anything/anywhere, there are surely some localized areas, at certain times of the day, that present disproportionate risk to someone with poor judgment.

But if wearing a Rolex in trendy parts of NYC is risky, either this city has gone mad or decided there is safety in numbers and they can’t take them all.
 
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Not wearing white gloves while handling a Rolex
Huh local guy at the store did that. Didn't realize it was a Rolex requirement.
 
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I believe the horror stories have been vastly overblown.

Like anything/anywhere, there are surely some localized areas, at certain times of the day, that present disproportionate risk to someone with poor judgment.

But if wearing a Rolex in trendy parts of NYC is risky, either this city has gone mad or decided there is safety in numbers and they can’t take them all.

As a long time New Yorker it’s definitely been overblown. Walk into any decent bar or restaurant and your bound to see someone wearing a Sub, AP or other Swiss manufacturers.. Was and is still the same, vintage has certainly been much more prevalent in the past 3-4 years. Just today walking my dog around the neighborhood in Brooklyn saw a couple of vintage Rolex, datejust and a 5513. All of the “investment/ flex” pieces are represented throughout the burrows. Some could be fake but I’m sure that not all of them are. Crime is up, but you just need to pay attention as you would in any other big city. If your concerned don’t wear a nice watch. I wear a watch every day, vintage mostly goes unnoticed.
 
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Not wearing white gloves while handling a Rolex.

Needed an excuse to post this, still makes me laugh. I think it might of been an @Archer post where I first saw it a couple of yrs ago

 
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Needed an excuse to post this, still makes me laugh. I think it might of been an @Archer post where I first saw it a couple of yrs ago

I need some Hello Kitty white gloves in my life.
 
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Needed an excuse to post this, still makes me laugh. I think it might of been an @Archer post where I first saw it a couple of yrs ago


Yep, that was me. I nearly fell off my chair laughing the first time I saw it - mocking a certain someone very effectively.
 
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And Aldrin's missing Speedmaster which would be worth more to a vintage Omega collector than anything that Patek and Rolex could muster, combined.

You think it might get more than Paul Newman's personal Daytona? $11,000,000. That to me is an absurd price...and I'll wager Newman would have agreed. And I think Aldrin would agree if his watch got anywhere near that. If those guys wouldn't pay silly prices for a watch, why should any of us? I sense a bit of manufacture bias in your remark.
 
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You think it might get more than Paul Newman's personal Daytona? $11,000,000. That to me is an absurd price...and I'll wager Newman would have agreed. And I think Aldrin would agree if his watch got anywhere near that. If those guys wouldn't pay silly prices for a watch, why should any of us? I sense a bit of manufacture bias in your remark.

One was involved in arguably one of the most important American achievements in history, the other was a Hollywood actor's watch. Seems clear to me.
 
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One was involved in arguably one of the most important human achievements in history, the other was a Hollywood actor's watch. Seems clear to me.

FIFY...
 
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You think it might get more than Paul Newman's personal Daytona? $11,000,000. That to me is an absurd price...and I'll wager Newman would have agreed. And I think Aldrin would agree if his watch got anywhere near that. If those guys wouldn't pay silly prices for a watch, why should any of us? I sense a bit of manufacture bias in your remark.

Newman's Daytona went for $15.5M, plus $2.2M buyer's premium. If you're a billionaire, it's chump change.
 
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Exactly, the last thing Rolex wants is people "reporting" on AD misbehaviour. For Rolex that's nothing but trouble that they don't want to deal with.
You really seem to have an attitude about Rolex. Is the only reason you come to this part of the Omega Forum is to just bash Rolex? When people start harping over money, it tells me that they probably think more about the money than the watch. When I look at a watch on someone's wrist, I never ask "how much did it cost", but rather what attracted you to that specific watch, is it keeping good time, tell me about the history of it, etc. Here are some old watch ads from 1948...just three years after the end of WW2. And look at how the human creativity sprang back to life.