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ErichPryde
路路Seamasters ForeverWell, now that ChatGPT and Grok have speculated every single possibility for us, I guess we can close the thread! 馃ぃ馃ぃ馃ぃ
How will the new Planet Ocean influence future Seamaster Diver 300m?
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asteroidwave
路I think they will remove the wave dial or at least tone it down, new bracelet with micro adjust and potentially if they're feeling nice quick removal spring bars and I'm 50/50 on if they ditch the helium escape value.
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McBeardy
路Dream would be a modern version of the 2254 yet I don鈥檛 expect Omega to do that.
Ideally & personally I鈥檇 like a slightly smaller & slimmer current no date monochrome SMP. However would love them to fit sword hands (really lean into the vintage vibe) but loose the lumed bezel (it really doesn鈥檛 fit the vintage vibe they were going for).
The HeV is an odd one, whilst the SMP & its silhouette is synonymous with it, loosing it would look odd (see Doxas sub 200). Unless the L2L is shortened it might look OK, the recent updated PO loosing the HeV does make me think Omega may go this route. Now if they reduced back to the 3rd gen size it鈥檚 a happy compromise.
Ideally & personally I鈥檇 like a slightly smaller & slimmer current no date monochrome SMP. However would love them to fit sword hands (really lean into the vintage vibe) but loose the lumed bezel (it really doesn鈥檛 fit the vintage vibe they were going for).
The HeV is an odd one, whilst the SMP & its silhouette is synonymous with it, loosing it would look odd (see Doxas sub 200). Unless the L2L is shortened it might look OK, the recent updated PO loosing the HeV does make me think Omega may go this route. Now if they reduced back to the 3rd gen size it鈥檚 a happy compromise.
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pdxleaf
路FWIW, the new gen convinced me to buy the 3rd gen 39mm
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josiahg52
路8.NO lumed bezel insert. Useless clutter, increased failure points, unnecessary complication.
9. Retain a date option. I use the date but can appreciate those who prefer no date.
10. Don't adopt QR spring bars. I've had one QR itself. Probably a design issue but when I come across them, they're immediately replaced.
9. Retain a date option. I use the date but can appreciate those who prefer no date.
10. Don't adopt QR spring bars. I've had one QR itself. Probably a design issue but when I come across them, they're immediately replaced.
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Foo2rama
路路Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Little to no impact.
This was a reset of the PO and added features and styling to split the lines more.
This was a reset of the PO and added features and styling to split the lines more.
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ErichPryde
路路Seamasters ForeverThis. I think the PO changes make the most sense if their intention is not to make such radical changes to the SMP.
I agree, for a fair number of reasons.
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GT3RS
路8.NO lumed bezel insert. Useless clutter, increased failure points, unnecessary complication.
9. Retain a date option. I use the date but can appreciate those who prefer no date.
10. Don't adopt QR spring bars. I've had one QR itself. Probably a design issue but when I come across them, they're immediately replaced.
Regarding lumed bezel, I sort of agree, because I鈥檓 always worried about hitting the bezel and ripping off lume on my NTTD, but I also love seeing the full glow of the lumed bezel and dial
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Duckie
路I think i understand what Omega are attempting to do with the PO style wise.
in my mind it wasn't fish nor fowl after the Ultra Deep was introduced.
i get a lot of the common criticisms around the PO and SMP with the wart possibly being the most contentious and the thickness of their watches post ETA movements, with the thickness being a product of direct comparisons with Rowlex equivalents. IMO.
The hands were a great feature on the 2254 but i couldn't pull the trigger way back in the day because of what i considered to be that basically redundant and potential liability of the wart. But to each their own.
So now that everybody is fairly clear on my impression of Omega Diver watch design language.
Now against the backdrop of the clear evidence that a wart is a totally redundant feature on any watch whether it be an Omega or Seiko anything else since the Ultra Deep and now the gen 4 PO.
i think a total redesign of the SMP is entirely possible.
to come back to the hands. I've grown to appreciate the arrow hands and would be happy for them to continue.
I type this as i wear my 166.073 which i adore.
Perhaps a modernised and more capable offering via a re-issue of the 166.073 would be the best idea to have a complete separation between the very different model ranges of diver that Omega offer if they were to continue with three.
Perhaps the SMP should continue as the only variation with a date complication.
Along the lines of the 166.073馃槈
in my mind it wasn't fish nor fowl after the Ultra Deep was introduced.
i get a lot of the common criticisms around the PO and SMP with the wart possibly being the most contentious and the thickness of their watches post ETA movements, with the thickness being a product of direct comparisons with Rowlex equivalents. IMO.
The hands were a great feature on the 2254 but i couldn't pull the trigger way back in the day because of what i considered to be that basically redundant and potential liability of the wart. But to each their own.
So now that everybody is fairly clear on my impression of Omega Diver watch design language.
Now against the backdrop of the clear evidence that a wart is a totally redundant feature on any watch whether it be an Omega or Seiko anything else since the Ultra Deep and now the gen 4 PO.
i think a total redesign of the SMP is entirely possible.
to come back to the hands. I've grown to appreciate the arrow hands and would be happy for them to continue.
I type this as i wear my 166.073 which i adore.
Perhaps a modernised and more capable offering via a re-issue of the 166.073 would be the best idea to have a complete separation between the very different model ranges of diver that Omega offer if they were to continue with three.
Perhaps the SMP should continue as the only variation with a date complication.
Along the lines of the 166.073馃槈
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Vinz Clortho
路Think they're totally different lines of watches. Need to remember whatever issues in the works has been for a few years by now. PO went in a direction it needed to to differentiate itself.
The SMP redesign is probably going to incorporate changes:
-Probably going back to either thin waves (laser engraved) which will line up with previous versions. Another less likely option would be doing away with the waves to a matte or shiny dial
-Probably another date/no date options.
-My guess is 41 mm size and thinner.
-Probably keeping the HE value but reducing the size from a cupcake.
-Scallop bezel will remain.
-Bracelet will end up with a taper.
Regardless, they will have two distinct looks to them which is what they needed.
The SMP redesign is probably going to incorporate changes:
-Probably going back to either thin waves (laser engraved) which will line up with previous versions. Another less likely option would be doing away with the waves to a matte or shiny dial
-Probably another date/no date options.
-My guess is 41 mm size and thinner.
-Probably keeping the HE value but reducing the size from a cupcake.
-Scallop bezel will remain.
-Bracelet will end up with a taper.
Regardless, they will have two distinct looks to them which is what they needed.
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Jakeys
路Think they're totally different lines of watches. Need to remember whatever issues in the works has been for a few years by now. PO went in a direction it needed to to differentiate itself.
The SMP redesign is probably going to incorporate changes:
-Probably going back to either thin waves (laser engraved) which will line up with previous versions. Another less likely option would be doing away with the waves to a matte or shiny dial
-Probably another date/no date options.
-My guess is 41 mm size and thinner.
-Probably keeping the HE value but reducing the size from a cupcake.
-Scallop bezel will remain.
-Bracelet will end up with a taper.
Regardless, they will have two distinct looks to them which is what they needed.
Late to the thread so I haven't read every post, but I completely agree with every single line item Vinz shares here about what I think they'll do, so that's convenient. 馃榿
The only thing I think is critical is they need to get these chunky watches to be much thinner, like the old ones. Anything helps, but it's a big enough problem it's always mentioned on new releases in mainstream social media. I'd also love a tapered version of the classic bracelet but as long as the new one is faithful to the heritage and thinner, I'll probably like it.
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josiahg52
路Curious, why are you against quick-release spring bars?
Regarding lumed bezel, I sort of agree, because I鈥檓 always worried about hitting the bezel and ripping off lume on my NTTD, but I also love seeing the full glow of the lumed bezel and dial
Lumed bezel looks nice, that's it.
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ErichPryde
路路Seamasters ForeverLumed bezel looks nice, that's it.
Agreed- the liquid metal, ceramic, and grand feu enamel bezel inserted markers are all much more durable and are just as beautiful, even if they don't make it "cool."
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ErichPryde
路路Seamasters ForeverThe only thing I think is critical is they need to get these chunky watches to be much thinner, like the old ones.
Take 0.1mm out of the bezel, 0.3mm out of the case, and 0.2mm out of the caseback by going back to a steel back w/engraving and you're at 13mm and you'd wind up with a watch that wears closer to the wrist than that measurement.
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Vinz Clortho
路Take 0.1mm out of the bezel, 0.3mm out of the case, and 0.2mm out of the caseback by going back to a steel back w/engraving and you're at 13mm and you'd wind up with a watch that wears closer to the wrist than that measurement.
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josiahg52
路Take 0.1mm out of the bezel, 0.3mm out of the case, and 0.2mm out of the caseback by going back to a steel back w/engraving and you're at 13mm and you'd wind up with a watch that wears closer to the wrist than that measurement.
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munichblue
路You ask how the new PO will influence future Seamaster Diver models?
If they apply these design features to a new SMP Diver, then I fear the worst.
If they apply these design features to a new SMP Diver, then I fear the worst.
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ErichPryde
路路Seamasters ForeverYou ask how the new PO will influence future Seamaster Diver models?
If they apply these design features to a new SMP Diver, then I fear the worst.
I (speaking for myself) genuinely have very little concern that the Seamaster professional will follow the design features of the planet ocean. I think it is perhaps easy to forget that when the PO launched, it pulled a lot of design features from the 166.024 but simultaneously was trying to be something of a successor to the Peter Blake line, which died out completely as the Seamaster professional went into coax and ceramic.
When the ultradeep launched as part of the PO line, it didn't have the escape valve. The newest planet Ocean Design leans into the design pretty heavily (far more than just the lack of escape valve), and also draws more inspiration from older Omega models- but everything done serves to make it much more distinct.
Why would Omega do that, only to then change the SMP (which I keep hearing is their most successful, most bought model) and take away that distinction? And not just take away that distinction, but also take away the distinction that the Seamaster professional has in its own right?
I get that Swatch does stuff sometimes that we find utterly baffling but I just can't see this happening.
I know a lot of people like the planet ocean as it was before this current gen, but it seemed like it was lost to some degree.
Anyway, I would be curious to see if someone has sales figure data for the second and third gen planet oceans as a % of omega's sales....
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