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I think the "Ed White" nickname was given, and stuck, because of Omega's marketing materials using the famous photograph of the man wearing a Speedmaster on his spacewalk. Same as a McQueen Monaco or an Enicar Sherpa Graph "Jim Clark" or UG Nina Rindt, the images (and popular circulation thereof) are key.... whereas there's no image definitively showing Armstrong wearing what a layperson could easily identify as a 105.012. A Speedmaster, yes - hence the nickname Moonwatch - but the grainy photos make it impossible for someone who hasn't read up on the subject to determine whether it's a 105.012, 145.012, 145.022, etc.

These are my thoughts, and are not intended to spark any argument-!

Nice.

Lots of ads with the Speedmaster against a lunar background which was the intended association, but it might now be argued (but not to any certainty) that they (Omega) made a tactical advertising "mistake" in not associating a face to the 105.012 so as to pin it down. Anyway, Explains the power of the advertising image, more so if attached to a human milestone but most importantly to a face to go with it. Also explains why there is some confusion in the non wis world over the watch worn by Edmond Hillary to the top of Everest, Rolex or Smiths? It was a Smiths but after Rolex got involved it became obfuscated for the man on the street.

"Note how the (Smiths) advert explicitly states that they equipped the 1953 ascent: "which were the official selection of the gallant Everest team". This is not a statement you will ever see in a Rolex advert for the simple reason they were not."


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"Ed White" has been invoked too many times in this thread not to make an appearance.馃槈

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"Ed White" has been invoked too many times in this thread not to make an appearance.馃槈

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Terrific pic with great tone and clarity, @Darlinboy. What camera are you using? I took mine with the IPhone and it's just "washy". Do you use some kind of filter app as well?
 
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Nice.

Lots of ads with the Speedmaster against a lunar background which was the intended association, but it might now be argued (but not to any certainty) that they (Omega) made a tactical advertising "mistake" in not associating a face to the 105.012 so as to pin it down. Anyway, Explains the power of the advertising image, more so if attached to a human milestone but most importantly to a face to go with it.

I think it was actually a pretty good idea from a marketing perspective. By the time the moon landing occurred, the 105.012 been out of production for a couple years. They'd gain nothing by associating that particular reference with Buzz/Neil. Instead, right as they took steps to make the speedy cheaper to produce, they made the right tactical call to associate *all* speedmasters with the moon landing, rather than just the 105.012, which has helped them sell speedmasters for the past 47 years.

You don't want to pin Buzz/Neil to an old reference, because it reminds the consumer that the watch they're getting is not the same.
 
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Showed my Speedmaster to a work colleague (they read the back) when I first got it years ago and several times I have heard them mention I have a watch that was worn on the moon. 馃榾 Never bothered to explain it.
 
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145.012 ever make it to the surface? feel like i already knew the answer now im questioning my knowledge on this .. :O
 
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145.012 ever make it to the surface? feel like i already knew the answer now im questioning my knowledge on this .. :O

"The Late Chuck Maddox did a study on which type of Omega Speedmaster Professional was worn on the moon. And additionally, if it was really the only watch worn on the moon, as Omega claims it to be on their Omega Speedmaster Professional case backs. The full article written by Chuck Maddox can be found a thttp://www.chronomaddox.com/moonmovement.html."

st105.003 (Aldrin), st105.012 (Armstrong) and st145.012 (Collins) from http://www.fratellowatches.com/omega-speedmaster-it-is-39-years-ago/

So actually it would be correct to refer to the "105.003" as also the Aldrin and the 105.012 as the "Armstrong" and the 145.012 as the "Collins" of course Collins never set foot on the surface.

John Diethelm states:
"It is confirmed that the OMEGA Speedmaster chronographs that went to the " Moon " were of identical reference as your above watch."

Note the quotation marks. It was in orbit but not on the surface.
 
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still stands for some great provenance and history to me, same movement and case style all would have worked the same if collins had made his way to the surface IMO. merely a number of reference in difference (+CB) 馃憤
 
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st105.003 (Aldrin), st105.012 (Armstrong) and st145.012 (Collins) from http://www.fratellowatches.com/omega-speedmaster-it-is-39-years-ago/

So actually it would be correct to refer to the "105.003" as also the Aldrin and the 105.012 as the "Armstrong" and the 145.012 as the "Collins" of course Collins never set foot on the surface.
Again, this is not correct:

https://monochrome-watches.com/excl...ences-how-omega-speedmaster-became-moonwatch/

With respect to the 145.012, it was also worn on the Moon:

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So actually it would be correct to refer to the "105.003" as also the Aldrin and the 105.012 as the "Armstrong" and the 145.012 as the "Collins" of course Collins never set foot on the surface.

Given that Aldrin's watch is lost though, we can never be exactly sure which reference he had, and neither article you link to have him as having 105.003 so it seems a bit odd to associate his name with that reference...
 
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Terrific pic with great tone and clarity, @Darlinboy. What camera are you using? I took mine with the IPhone and it's just "washy". Do you use some kind of filter app as well?

Pretty much all of the photos I post are taken with an iPhone. If the lighting is bad, sometimes I'll use an an app called pixlr to balance. 馃憤
 
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Given that Aldrin's watch is lost though, we can never be exactly sure which reference he had, and neither article you link to have him as having 105.003 so it seems a bit odd to associate his name with that reference...

I am not associating Aldrin's name with the 105.003, the Fratello article has done that by attributing a written quote to John Diethelm who has stated that.
"Omega employee John Diethelm (known for his swift replies with respect to vintage information inquiries) stated several times in his e-mails to Omega collectors/customers that the Speedmaster Professional watches with reference numbers st105.003 (Aldrin), st105.012 (Armstrong) and st145.012 (Collins) with calibre 321 movement was the first watch worn on the moon."

I agree it's a bit odd, but I am lead by here by Omega themselves.

Edit: see later post.
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Again, this is not correct:

https://monochrome-watches.com/excl...ences-how-omega-speedmaster-became-moonwatch/

With respect to the 145.012, it was also worn on the Moon:

Enjoyed reading Part II, watchtinker. Seems quite definitive. Certainly puts a lot of the myths to bed. But I can see no reference to who wore the 145.012 on the moon? Was it this ref that Ronald Evans? It doesn't refer to Aldrin wearing the 145.012 on the moon.

It certainly is a maze, here is another web site which claims that Aldin wore a 145.012, but I think I prefer your Monochrome articles, watchtinker as I think they may be more up to date:

http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/speedmaster/nasastory.htm.

"Which Speedmaster models had Armstrong , Collins and Aldrin ?
According to the Early Manned Spaceflight Astronaut Equipment Division of Space History
National Air and Space Museum :
Neil Armstrong's chronograph has the following information: Calibre 321, Case # 105.012, Movement # 24002XXX, NASA serial # 046
Mike Collins' chronograph has the following information: Calibre 321, Case # 145.012, Movement # 26552XXX, NASA Serial # 073
Buzz Aldrin Speedmaster has the following information: Calibre 321, Case # 145.012"
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Enjoyed reading Part II, watchtinker. Seems quite definitive. Certainly puts a lot of the myths to bed. But I can see no reference to who wore the 145.012 on the moon? Was it this ref that Ronald Evans? It doesn't refer to Aldrin wearing the 145.012 on the moon.
Well, Shepard's Speedmaster (no.75) is a 145.012 and the same applies to Mitchell's specimen (no.77).
Aldrin's Speedmaster has been found to be a twisted lugs and, given its number (no.43) was most likely a 105.012-65, from the same bunch of Scott's (no.42) and Armstrong's (no.46) ones.
 
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