Hot Take: Speedmaster Moonwatch 321 Platinum

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It won't be marketed like that. This will most likely be a special order item, they aren't going to be carried in dealer stock which is why it is not a limited production item. Omega will control release of these so they aren't blown out the door at 30 to 40% discount. If they sell, great, if they don't Omega will quietly discontinue it. I think this is something Omega really didn't want to do but they did it for the pent up interest for a 321, but they aren't hanging their future Speedmaster production on this old timey movement. The future belongs to the 3861 and other yet to be released iterations.
To a certain extent I hope you are right in your predictions as that will mean Omega finally understood that market has to be properly managed. Though I will end up paying more for the SS321!👍
 
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Cernan took two Speedies with him on Apollo 17, a 105.003 and a 105.012. The 105.003 was on a JB and the 105.012 was on a NASA velcro (black). He wore the 105.012 (only) on EVA's, as is clear from EVA photos (twisted lugs, black velcro). There is a good pic somewhere of him after splashdown with both on (one on each wrist).

Not sure why he took two, maybe a back up?
Back up?!?

Pfffttt!!!

I doubt it...he was trying to be like Mad Dog...from the future...

 
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It won't be marketed like that. This will most likely be a special order item, they aren't going to be carried in dealer stock which is why it is not a limited production item. Omega will control release of these so they aren't blown out the door at 30 to 40% discount. If they sell, great, if they don't Omega will quietly discontinue it. I think this is something Omega really didn't want to do but they did it for the pent up interest for a 321, but they aren't hanging their future Speedmaster production on this old timey movement. The future belongs to the 3861 and other yet to be released iterations.

The AD I spoke to is under no illusion that the SS 321 is going to be a popular watch but they also believe that whilst it will be priced at a premium it will not be excessively priced as they don't believe that there will be long term sales in a highly priced Omega SS watch irrespective of the movement or the history.

The dealers view is that it will be priced sensibly so that Omega can sell the watch for many many years to come, Omega won't sell tens of thousands of watches if the watch is priced at $20k, the introduction of the 321 will be a long term plan, it may ultimately replace the 1861 in the Moonwatch but only if NASA sanctions the new movement.

There are many watch collectors out there who are going to be very keen to get a watch with the 321 movement, but Omega is not producing this watch for them but as something to market to draw people in to the Omega brand.

It is no good Omega pricing the watch at $20k only for the watch not to sell and the price having to be reduced, how will earlier purchasers of the watch feel if they see their $20k SS 321 watch reduced to $15k, then $10k or ....... as it is not selling, their investment blown.

Omega would be far better setting a price below that of the 50th and letting the market determine the after sales price. This is going to be a regular watch not an LE so you will be able to buy one 5 years down the road. If Omega want to make the 321 exclusive and justify a $20k+ price then only make it in Platinum or one of their versions of Gold, that's my humble opinion.
 
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The AD I spoke to is under no illusion that the SS 321 is going to be a popular watch but they also believe that whilst it will be priced at a premium it will not be excessively priced as they don't believe that there will be long term sales in a highly priced Omega SS watch irrespective of the movement or the history.

The dealers view is that it will be priced sensibly so that Omega can sell the watch for many many years to come, Omega won't sell tens of thousands of watches if the watch is priced at $20k, the introduction of the 321 will be a long term plan, it may ultimately replace the 1861 in the Moonwatch but only if NASA sanctions the new movement.

There are many watch collectors out there who are going to be very keen to get a watch with the 321 movement, but Omega is not producing this watch for them but as something to market to draw people in to the Omega brand.

It is no good Omega pricing the watch at $20k only for the watch not to sell and the price having to be reduced, how will earlier purchasers of the watch feel if they see their $20k SS 321 watch reduced to $15k, then $10k or ....... as it is not selling, their investment blown.

Omega would be far better setting a price below that of the 50th and letting the market determine the after sales price. This is going to be a regular watch not an LE so you will be able to buy one 5 years down the road. If Omega want to make the 321 exclusive and justify a $20k+ price then only make it in Platinum or one of their versions of Gold, that's my humble opinion.

So the statements of the individual AD are different. According to my AD talked about it with a responsible of Omega, it is not clear in which direction it is. Since there are probably some problems in the production and probably no decision has been made whether an SS model is launched. The 321 drive will not be the standard work of the new moonwatch. So I'll wait and see what the future holds.
 
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So the statements of the individual AD are different. According to my AD talked about it with a responsible of Omega, it is not clear in which direction it is. Since there are probably some problems in the production and probably no decision has been made whether an SS model is launched. The 321 drive will not be the standard work of the new moonwatch. So I'll wait and see what the future holds.

Haha, we are all going to have to wait and see what the Omega watch elves do, they are the ones who will determine whether a SS watch is actually produced, and if it is whether it is priced at $2, $20,000 or somewhere in between. 😀
 
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it may ultimately replace the 1861 in the Moonwatch but only if NASA sanctions the new movement.

No way, as they sell thousands of these a year. The 3861 will have more of a chance of being this.

There are many watch collectors out there who are going to be very keen to get a watch with the 321 movement, but Omega is not producing this watch for them but as something to market to draw people in to the Omega brand.

Make no mistake Omega is making this for watch collectors. To stop them paying for a 321 in vintage where they make no profit on. This is not to draw anyone new in as new people know nothing about the history

It is no good Omega pricing the watch at $20k only for the watch not to sell and the price having to be reduced, how will earlier purchasers of the watch feel if they see their $20k SS 321 watch reduced to $15k, then $10k or ....... as it is not selling, their investment blown.

Making a limited amount and all the marketing this is going to be more than the 50th and will not be discounted ever. Marketed as a premium and with same bracelet as the 50th. ( never with NATOs as it will have a crystal caseback )

End of the day no one knows what the price will be not even the ADs or Boutique salespeople.
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No way, as they sell thousands of these a year. The 3861 will have more of a chance of being this.

Okay I can live with this argument, it makes some sense

Make no mistake Omega is making this for watch collectors. To stop them paying for a 321 in vintage where they make no profit on. This is not to draw anyone new in as new people no nothing about the history

This I cannot agree with, yes I understand that the 321 is a very special movement but if Omega is going to invest in tools and equipment to set up a production run then the watch is going to be available for many many years to come. I don't believe that there is going to be sufficient demand for a $20k stainless steel watch on an ongoing basis, at least not from Omega. Maybe one from AP, PP, ALS or VC but not Omega, blimey even the kings of watch marketing don't have a $20k SS watch in a dealers.

Making a limited amount and all the marketing this is going to be more than the 50th and will not be discounted ever. Marketed as a premium and with same bracelet as the 50th. ( never with NATOs as it will have a crystal caseback )

The amount will be limited there is no argument on that as the number of movements will be the defining factor, the cost we can debate until Omega put us out of our misery. Yes the watch will be top of the Omega SS Speedmaster line (excluding LE's), it will be on a bracelet and come in a large box with some accessories, maybe a NATO or maybe not, maybe a strap or maybe not, this we will have to see.

But it is an exciting time for Omega watch enthusiasts, A11 50th this year, A13 50th possibly next year and of course the 321 launch, plenty of activity to keep interest and debate going, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
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Indeed exciting time. my coming shopping list is very full:
1. A11 50th - deposit paid still waiting - 😁
2. Moonshine speedy - no money no honey ... so no speedy 😗
3. Olympic 2020 rising sun - available to me but no means to collect 🤔
4. GMTII pepsi - no news since umpteen months 😕
5. Daytona panda - no news since dawn of time 🤦
6. A13 50th - must get 😎 because the Boss wants a snoopy for herself otherwise :whipped:
7. SS 321 $$$$$ 😵‍💫
what else did I miss?
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But it is an exciting time for Omega watch enthusiasts, A11 50th this year, A13 50th possibly next year and of course the 321 launch, plenty of activity to keep interest and debate going, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Not forgetting the Speedy Tuesday X-33 next year
 
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Indeed exciting time. my coming shopping list is very full:
1. A11 50th - deposit paid still waiting - 😁
2. Moonshine speedy - no money no honey ... so no speedy 😗
3. Olympic 2020 rising sun - available to me but no means to collect 🤔
4. GMTII pepsi - no news since umpteen months 😕
5. Daytona panda - no news since dawn of time 🤦
6. A13 50th - must get 😎 because the Boss wants a snoopy for herself otherwise :whipped:
7. SS 321 $$$$$ 😵‍💫
what else did I miss?

8. Robbing a bank without getting caught to pay for the above 😁
 
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Not forgetting the Speedy Tuesday X-33 next year
Did I miss any news concerning a new ST iteration? Or rather a new X-33 iteration should I say?
 
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On the 321, an observation as I got lucky to handle one for a few minutes: the meteorite used on this one is not an iron meteorite such as was used on the Apollo-Soyuz LE. Hence the subdials look very different, literally like a cut and (lightly) polished stone without the slightly glittery proprieties found in Apollo-Soyuz.

Not saying it is looking bad, but just very different.

The Onyx Dial is awesome as is the movement from the back!
 
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Here’s my take. Yes...absolutely beautiful watch. Out of sight price point yes
And no. If all that matters is the 321 movement, I would wait for the steel version.
More than likely you’ll get the bracelet and not just the strap.
If however the idea of platinum is appealing...this is probably your dog so to speak. This is the territory where a Watch is more viewed as an investment more so than an everyday wear. Really depends on if you’re drawn to jewelry or function.
With regards to the lunar meteorite detailing...there are many different samples out there. That is meteorite wise. Look up the data base of the meteorological
Society to see what’s been discovered and verified. I’ve been collecting meteorite
Samples for about 8 years, and with a bit of homework you too can acquire
real Lunar samples. Deal with an IMCA dealer...lots of things can be discovered.
I’ve got a verified sample of NWA 11273 that’s 19.9 grams.
It was a LOT cheaper than this offering. Combined with my Speedy Pro.
Plus both together are equally interesting to look at...at a fraction of the price.
Good luck on your Discoveries!
 
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I’ve got a verified sample of NWA 11273 that’s 19.9 grams.
It was a LOT cheaper than this offering. Combined with my Speedy Pro.
Plus both together are equally interesting to look at...at a fraction of the price.

Pictures, or it never happened 😉
 
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You just can’t take my word for it . Hahaha! Traveling on the road unable to comply at the moment. Happy to when I get back!