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Can people please state what they do for a living when posting to make it fair for my electrician and tradie mates to reply on a even playing field 😁😁
 
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When I was a young fella I wanted to become an electrician……. But my dad said no, he said I was gonna have to work for a living and get a trade!
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The first module of trade school for electricians is
“Bitching and moaning” it’s imperative that they get expressions such as: “It’s not my job” down pat.

The next module is “Making a Mess” they have to learn such skills as leaving little bits of discarded insulation and trimmed off filaments of copper wire everywhere from arsehole to breakfast!
They also need to master the art of getting plaster dust, saw dust and metal swarf ground deeply into all surfaces the more expensive, decorative and highly polished the better!

This module is closely followed by one that covers broom and vacuum cleaner avoidance, they are brainwashed ( let’s face it the brain is the only thing that has ever been washed) into believing that brooms are actually tiger snakes.
I have to write notices on all the brooms, informing them that it is only a broom and not a tiger snake and as such it’s safe to pick up and use.

Of course there is a module for writing bills and invoices, this entails gaining the ability to write many zeros with a comma at every third one.

There are many other modules such as “Always Turn Up Late or Don’t Turn Up At All”
And another very important module on showing excessive hairy arse crack whenever you bend over (plumbers have to do this module too as well as the turning up late and writing bills and invoices ones )

I believe that there are even elective modules involving electricity, but I’ve never met anyone that bothered with these.
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The first thing you learn when studying to be an electrician is that it's not dead until it's grounded.

The electrical code is the only code that has a requirement for a neat and workmanlike manner. Meaning, you can connect all your wiring correctly but if it looks like shit you will fail inspection.

Per Standy's request I retired as an accountant but got my degree while working as a high voltage electrician apprentice fresh out of the military. Before that, I was on a framing crew in Minnesota (yes, we worked through the winter). Before that, i worked in a factory welding skid steer loaders (similar to a Bobcat) and before that i worked on an oil rig in the Cook Inslet south of Anchorage.

As an adult, i have remodeled several homes, everything from the masthead on down to the last outlet. Plumbing for me was the hardest, not because of the physical work, but because of the regs and not being a trained plumber. Each inspector would tell you something different. There's a real art to plumbing a house. I have hundreds of stories.

Part of our high voltage training was to watch OSHA films of accidents. There are a surprising number of accidents that happen while someone is filming. One particularly memorable one was of a person who was in the hospital after being electrocuted. The electricity entered his upper body, bypassed his heart and exited his foot. His leg was swollen at first. Then over several days they sliced his leg from his hip down to relieve the swelling. Electricity will burn on the inside near the bone. Eventually his leg was amputated. And yes, that was filmed.

I don't know what school you went to but it's probably a good thing you didn't become an electrician.

Don't forget to thank a high voltage electrician the next time you lose power. They'll be easy to find. They'll be outside working in the storm near the flasing lights.

Back to watches now.

Edit: I'm a skinny guy but my hands are the result of decades of work (plus, some closeup photography.)

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he got zapped hard on while dicking around with it,

That had to be at least $50 worth of entertainment, so you can subtract that from your total home repair expenditures.
 
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I bought our current house in december 2008, we moved in february 2009 after it sat for a year and half unsold. It's a 1950s bungalow in the pine barrens. It was added onto over the years by various pineys and it's obvious the phrase "plumb, level, and square" was not one used very often. They added onto to original square box over the years and it shows. Outside walls are now inside, old furnace pipes in the attic, and the OLD ROOF in the attic -- yes, shingles and all. We've made it our over the years, but it's also entailed me having to re-do the electrical between the screen porch and the laundry roof by way of the living room, where I made cut-outs in the walls to rerun wires. That was fun.
 
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This seems more like a "trades vent" than a home ownership vent...

Having dealt with many trades during my time in engineering, I can usually spot the person I don't want to deal with, and the person I do want to deal with. We replaced the roof in 2007 - called 3 companies for quotes. Two of the quotes (the highest and lowest) were just a number written on a sheet of paper - one of them just stuffed in in our mailbox while we were at work. Needless to say, neither of those got the job - it was the guy that took the time to talk to us, prepare a proposal with all the details, who got the job, and they did a fantastic job (small 2 man company). That was $12k - not looking forward to having to do it again.

This year we replaced the windows and doors - most of them anyway. We had them come back to pull out and reinstall a sliding door that was out of square. The owner was pissed when I showed it to him, and said "I know these guys work on details all day, but I always tell them they need to pull back and look at the overall job, and they didn't do that here." So it was fixed without any fuss.
 
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This whole thing is just funny.
As a group the royal "we" go on and on about "our" watchmakers and often guard those names of folks who do great jobs at reasonable rates and moan about the well known ones that have a huge line and high rates for their quality services. Do you think other trades are any different?
You need to mingle with tradies more guys 😗
Spot on mate, spot on.
 
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Maybe start with a good home inspector and don't buy a shitty home riddled with problems?

I'm being facetious. I bought a home in 2020 and made some repairs/improvements. I did some of the work myself and hired professionals as well. The key is finding good help and shopping around to get it. Once you find "the guy", keep him around and be loyal.

Also, a lot of the guys who work for bigger companies (plumbing, electric, etc.) moonlight on the side, and for much, much less. Don't be shy about asking.

Last, talk to your neighbors. They have probably seen the same people and can save you a headache.
 
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Maybe start with a good home inspector and don't buy a shitty home riddled with problems?

Well, good thought, but around here if you put conditions on an offer over the last 3-4 years, your offer had zero chance of being accepted. When people are in bidding wars and paying well over asking on every property for sale, getting any kind of an inspection agreed to is a dream.

Since the market has cooled off in the last 6 months or so, you might have a chance at one now, but for a long time it simply wasn't possible.
 
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I had a flakey switch in my bathroom (original to the house and makes the click-clack). Took it out (after cutting the breaker- remember you are the path of least resistance), and cleaned it with some electrical contact cleaner. All better.
Wait James did you just take off the face plate and spray the connections? If you went that far you should have just put in a new switch. Do it wearing a watch with a metal bracelet and rings and don’t cut the breaker makes things more exciting.
 
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Well, good thought, but around here if you put conditions on an offer over the last 3-4 years, your offer had zero chance of being accepted. When people are in bidding wars and paying well over asking on every property for sale, getting any kind of an inspection agreed to is a dream.

Since the market has cooled off in the last 6 months or so, you might have a chance at one now, but for a long time it simply wasn't possible.
Also those home inspectors, while I’m not saying you should bypass them, have 0 liability (in the US anyway) if they miss something or make an error you have no recourse. Sorry to butt in but I find that an annoying aspect of the home inspection racket. Fortunately I have found a couple good ones, still no recourse if they mess up.
 
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Well, good thought, but around here if you put conditions on an offer over the last 3-4 years, your offer had zero chance of being accepted. When people are in bidding wars and paying well over asking on every property for sale, getting any kind of an inspection agreed to is a dream.

Since the market has cooled off in the last 6 months or so, you might have a chance at one now, but for a long time it simply wasn't possible.

I mean it was hot here too, I paid 50k over asking, waived any inspection issues (but still did one obviously). It's a tradeoff; if you are comfortable buying a fixer-upper, you need to be comfortable depleting your reserve funds. Getting involved in the process and learning a bit about everything helps a lot. I'm not saying one needs to be a master electrician of plumber, but you can learn enough to call bullshit when someone is quoting you 1k to reset a breaker. It's like being on the forum - I came because I like watches, but unexpectedly I'm learning about movements and autowerks and barrel arbors, mainly from you lol. I'm not going to start repairing my collection by myself but It helps me not to buy tempting watches that are doggie doodoo. Thanks for upping my knowledge btw.
 
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Ahhhhm I think some folks might’ve missed that my posts were very much tongue in cheek.
Here in Oz a tradie needs to have a sense of humour and be able to cop a joke at their expense or they just won’t survive in the trade, their coworkers just won’t work with them. The job is hard enough without some misery guts rocking a humour bypass!
Here the tradies have to work to high safety standards amongst the highest in the world, certainly higher than those I’ve seen in the US.
Tradies can’t even climb a ladder without a working at heights certificate of competency.

I’m a multi skilled tradie, originally a motor mechanic (it’s a proper trade here, not just something to keep high school dropouts off the bread line) which lead me to being a ship’s engineer which then lead me to retrain as a mechanical fitter, adding full advanced rigging, scaffolding working at heights, height rescue and confined space certificates along the way.
My license to do high risk work has eight endorsements on it. (Which is a good thing)
From there I went into ship building and repair as a contractor to the military. Along the way I picked up shotfirers (powder monkey) certificates and did some structural high rise construction and demolition. Stepped sideways into elevator installation and then was trained to be a telecommunications technician, built mobile phone networks for a while (got too old to climb the towers) ended up doing what I do now which is industrial mechanical fitting my specialty is production line installation/relocation working in the plastics, automation/robotics, packaging and food manufacturing industries to name a few.
Oh I forgot the certificate in occupational food studies picked up along the way
A serious shortage of mechanical fitters has me currently doing night shift engineering coverage for a large chocolate manufacturer client, we can’t find anyone who’ll do nights. It’s not the money that’s bloody good, probably better than most of the world, higher than the US.
It’s that good tradies can pick and choose, most are going for more lifestyle friendly hours.
 
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Can people please state what they do for a living when posting to make it fair for my electrician and tradie mates to reply on a even playing field 😁😁

I'm an out of work male stripper. Let me know if any tradies want to swap their services for a private gig.
 
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I mean it was hot here too, I paid 50k over asking, waived any inspection issues (but still did one obviously). It's a tradeoff; if you are comfortable buying a fixer-upper, you need to be comfortable depleting your reserve funds. Getting involved in the process and learning a bit about everything helps a lot. I'm not saying one needs to be a master electrician of plumber, but you can learn enough to call bullshit when someone is quoting you 1k to reset a breaker. It's like being on the forum - I came because I like watches, but unexpectedly I'm learning about movements and autowerks and barrel arbors, mainly from you lol. I'm not going to start repairing my collection by myself but It helps me not to buy tempting watches that are doggie doodoo. Thanks for upping my knowledge btw.

My neighbour beside me paid $300k over asking (he bought at the absolute peak of the market) - he said they wouldn't even agree to have an inspection done. So it's not even about getting the defects fixed, it wasn't possible to even get the house inspected. The previous owners had bought it before the big jump in prices, and had renovated the entire home themselves...poorly as it turned out. Looked great in photos but up close, every corner that could be cut was cut.

Back when I bought, home inspections weren't really a thing. But I bought a house that was only 7 years old, so probably wouldn't have bothered anyway. The only real issue we found was some framing in the attic going through a part of the chimney, and we fixed that up pretty easily.

I've done plumbing, drywall, electrical, framing, etc. so I know enough what to look for. Knowledge is power, which is why I try to share the things I see with the forum. Glad you are getting something out of it.

Cheers, Al
 
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maybe this guy can help...

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Four different electricians over the past year to solve lights flickering in our two bathrooms, spare bedroom and daughter's bedroom.

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If these lights flicker again I am going to lose my mind.

Let us know whether the breaker replacement or re-seating of the breaker did the trick. It certainly could cause the issue especially if the copper clad contacts had become oxidized or lost their tension.Sometimes they sit a little sloppy in the slot.

Any resistance in either the supply or the neutral line could cause such a problem. I'd have checked where all the neutral wires (typically white wires) come together on a bus within the load center (breaker box) as well. A loose binding screw could cause intermittent power (flickering) as well.

Cheers,
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plumbers always seem to need to cut huge holes for tiny repairs, or ignore easier ways to access the problem, ask me how I know
Last year I smelled gas near our fireplace, so called out a plumber (and since it was a pretty high priority for us, ended up with one of the big companies with little accountability that have been mentioned because they were the only one I could find to come out that day). The guy wanted to remove stone from the fireplace to access the valve, and of course they would not have replaced it. Thankfully the exterior wall was covered with panels of siding, so I went outside and removed a panel. Made for some tight workspace for him, but it saved us a mess inside and a costly masonry repair. A little caulk and paint and good as new.
 
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Last year I smelled gas near our fireplace, so called out a plumber (and since it was a pretty high priority for us, ended up with one of the big companies with little accountability that have been mentioned because they were the only one I could find to come out that day). The guy wanted to remove stone from the fireplace to access the valve, and of course they would not have replaced it. Thankfully the exterior wall was covered with panels of siding, so I went outside and removed a panel. Made for some tight workspace for him, but it saved us a mess inside and a costly masonry repair. A little caulk and paint and good as new.

It astounds me that someone would build/install a gas fireplace leaving a shut-off or control valve inaccessible.