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路I think he brought it to the point! But everyone has his own view to the things.
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Cad290
路This is pretty terrible. Not only is it uneccesarrily mean spirited (?), but very douchey too. I wouldn't spread this...
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munichblue
路Guys, what's wrong with you? It's a satirical and funny input to a recent event and not the end of the world. Where's your humour?
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Cad290
路It's a personal attack, isn't it? Also a fat joke? I enjoy people ruffling feathers a little bit but I'm not going to support this kind of joke
Guys, what's wrong with you? It's a satirical and funny input to a recent event and not the end of the world. Where's your humour?
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munichblue
路It's a personal attack, isn't it? Also a fat joke? I enjoy people ruffling feathers a little bit but I'm not going to support this kind of joke
Can you tell me a joke which isn't a personal attack to anybody? C'mon, calm down.
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Cad290
路Can you tell me a joke which isn't a personal attack to anybody? C'mon, calm down.
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munichblue
路Oh man, on which planet are you living? Alpha Hodinkee? I'm done!
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Cad290
路Oh man, on which planet are you living? Alpha Hodinkee? I'm done!
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R3D9
路I'm all for pretty-much-anything-goes humour, but making fun of someone's appearance - particularly someone who's been known to visit these forums from time to time - is crossing a line and, quite frankly, grade school humour. I think the participants on this forum are capable of better.
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munichblue
路I'm all for pretty-much-anything-goes humour, but making fun of someone's appearance - particularly someone who's been known to visit these forums from time to time - is crossing a line and, quite frankly, grade school humour. I think the participants on this forum are capable of better.
Just to make this clear: it was me posting this picture here on OF, not someone else.
I get your point and this is a convincing argument. It's up to the mods to decide whether they want to delete the picture. I'm fine either way.
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yinzerniner
路Can you tell me a joke which isn't a personal attack to anybody? C'mon, calm down.
Case in point - what if someone substituted Robert-Jan Broer for Clymer, and the Speedy Tuesday for the Ressence, and had simply made fun of his appearance to prove the lack of personal accomplishment between Cernan and Broer; would you not find that offensive?
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Case in point - what if someone substituted Robert-Jan Broer for Clymer, and the Speedy Tuesday for the Ressence, and had simply made fun of his appearance to prove the lack of personal accomplishment between Cernan and Broer; would you not find that offensive?
Difficult to answer. In general I think people staying in public need to have a higher level of tolerance to bear criticism and joking about them personally. It's just because they make their living out of their public appearance. But there are of course limits.
As far as I know Robert-Jan I'm quite sure he wouldn't feel too offended with your example. But this is just my estimation.
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路It's a personal attack, isn't it? Also a fat joke? I enjoy people ruffling feathers a little bit but I'm not going to support this kind of joke
Honestly, a "fat joke" was the furthest thing from my mind, and I think you may be projecting something into this that isn't there.
I don't think Ben Clymer is fat... above target BMI maybe, but not obese..
"all you can eat wings" is as pedestrian, common, regular-guy thing as I could imagine, as we all have done it.
The point was to illustrate how desperate the industry is getting, and that at some point, someone will have to step back and say... We are celebrating a Blog!?!
Where is the passion, history, romanticism in that? it is a house of cards.
I see this as a terrible sign for the industry -- potential short term gain, but long term definitive sign of the beginning of a great crisis. Is your passion for a watch blog going to be as reverant as the moon landing? space exploration? your grandfather's watch? Everest conquest? Deepsea exploration? - actual accomplishments?
For me, Hodinkee is the equivalent of "TV-Guide" (and 10 years of collecting and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent, I had never even gone to the website until the whole Vacheron debaucle) ...And I understand that you'll never read an article in TV-guide that tells you about the benefits of fresh air... which is fine. But who the hell gets excited about TV guide?!?
Car and Driver Magazine will never write an article about the virtues of bicycling or walking to work.... which is fine.... but what car company would offer a "car and Driver limited edition" with "Car and Driver logo" on the hood?
I apologize to anyone who is offended , but realistically.... what is being celebrated by these limited editions?
A Blog?!?
Clymer is brilliant, and the fact that he could turn this hobby into a big moneymaker is admirable, unlike the rest of us suckers typing online on a watch forum for free... but I think we're about to witness the Icarus paradox...
Again, it was not meant to be a fat-joke, it was meant to be a 'regular guy' joke... contrasting an actual accomplishment to a blog..
But then again, if you have to explain a joke...
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Cad290
路Honestly, a "fat joke" was the furthest thing from my mind, and I think you may be projecting something into this that isn't there.
I don't think Ben Clymer is fat... above target BMI maybe, but not obese..
"all you can eat wings" is as pedestrian, common, regular-guy thing as I could imagine, as we all have done it.
The point was to illustrate how desperate the industry is getting, and that at some point, someone will have to step back and say... We are celebrating a Blog!?!
Where is the passion, history, romanticism in that? it is a house of cards.
I see this as a terrible sign for the industry -- potential short term gain, but long term definitive sign of the beginning of a great crisis. Is your passion for a watch blog going to be as reverant as the moon landing? space exploration? your grandfather's watch? Everest conquest? Deepsea exploration? - actual accomplishments?
For me, Hodinkee is the equivalent of "TV-Guide" (and 10 years of collecting and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent, I had never even gone to the website until the whole Vacheron debaucle) ...And I understand that you'll never read an article in TV-guide that tells you about the benefits of fresh air... which is fine. But who the hell gets excited about TV guide?!?
Car and Driver Magazine will never write an article about the virtues of bicycling or walking to work.... which is fine.... but what car company would offer a "car and Driver limited edition" with "Car and Driver logo" on the hood?
I apologize to anyone who is offended , but realistically.... what is being celebrated by these limited editions?
A Blog?!?
Clymer is brilliant, and the fact that he could turn this hobby into a big moneymaker is admirable, unlike the rest of us suckers typing online on a watch forum for free... but I think we're about to witness the Icarus paradox...
Again, it was not meant to be a fat-joke, it was meant to be a 'regular guy' joke... contrasting an actual accomplishment to a blog..
But then again, if you have to explain a joke...
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Nobel Prize
路Not 馃ぎmy 馃ぎtaste馃ぎ
Sorry i must have eaten something bad
Sorry i must have eaten something bad
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R3D9
路The complete phrase is : "if you have to explain a joke... It probably wasn't funny"...
But maybe in this case, maybe it is the audience's fault...
I was going to let your first explanation slide, but now you've decided to deflect the blame back to those who found your "joke" offensive.
I call BS. Come on man,you chose that unflattering image of Ben with clear intent. Sorry, but the "I was just trying to think of an activity the average guy does" doesn't fly.
Why am I right? Up until your explanation post, not a single commenter on the thread argued about the intent of the image as a fat joke. The argument was around it's tastefulness. It is 100% clear what you were implying.
Trying to back out of it the way you are now and then taking a dig at everyone's supposed over-sensitivities as being to blame is not a good look. Own up to your mistake (or inherent bias) and move on.
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Archer
路路Omega Qualified Watchmaker"all you can eat wings" is as pedestrian, common, regular-guy thing as I could imagine, as we all have done it.
This is exactly the way I took it - when I saw people taking it as a fat/appearance joke it was a WTF moment.
So rest assured that not everyone missed the point...