Help Validating Ref Number Please

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Hi There. I've just bought a Speedmaster Professional with the ref: 3590.50 and the watch number starting 77. The given date of production for this watch is 2000. I'm struggling to find information as to whether this is legit, and my understanding is that the ref number changed to 3570 around 1999. Am I being unduly cautious?
Can someone put my mind at ease, or otherwise?
 
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The given date how? From an online SN database? Those are known to be inaccurate at times.

More information required.
 
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The given date how? From an online SN database? Those are known to be inaccurate at times.

More information required.
I did searches and (as i mentioned) those searches suggest 3590 changed to 3570 after 1999. The date given by the seller (a reputable dealer btw) is 2000. It is this anomaly that is making me cautious.
 
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Dealer information should be taken with a grain of salt and a year or two doesn't affect value. Don't be distracted by irrelevant details, focus on what is important. Is the watch is legit and in good condition?
 
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Dealer information should be taken with a grain of salt and a year or two doesn't affect value. Why obsess about the exact year. More important that the watch is legit and in good condition.
Absolutely. I just like researching before stuff arrives. No doubt i'll buy the Just Speedies book at some point. I was obsessing because the ref numbers changed in 1999, but production of the 3590 did go into 2000...apparently. "If your Omega Speedmaster’s number begins with 77, it means the watch was produced in 2000, which aligns with the tail-end of the production run for the 3590.50 series—just before Omega transitioned fully to the 3570.50 reference (which had the same design but used Luminova instead of tritium)."
 
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I did, but there is conflicting information I found after making the payment. Thought a forum dedicated to omega would be helpful. Sadly, that seems not to be the case.
 
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Well as someone who owns a 3590.50 speedy, having zeroed in on that as the reference I particularly wanted to buy, I can tell you what I understand to be the case and I'm happy to be corrected if wrong. The transition to the 3570.50 took place I believe around 1996 and included an updated bracelet design which was the 1499 bracelet, different in style to the 1479 found on the 3590.50 (mine included). You can find some 'transitional' 3750.50 models with the 1499 bracelet that have a tritium dial with now yellowed lume plots before tritium dials were phased out entirely in 1997. These transitional models also came with the updated 3570.50 bezel insert that restored the accent above Tachymètre.

My speedy's serial, which begins 4829 is, based on looking the ilovemyspeedmaster.com date estimates around early 1994.

So, although not having seen any images of your watch, I'd be surprised if a 77x serial from 1999/2000 could be a 3590.50. If I'm looking at an original 3590.50 I expect to see as a minimum a tritium dial and hands, no accent above Tachymetre on the bezel insert and the 1479 bracelet.

It really depends what you wanted; for me these characteristics were some of the reasons why I was buying it so obviously had to be there. If you're just trying to determine exactly what reference yours is and you don't mind about anything else then it's of little consquence, especially the exact year of production.

 
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Well as someone who owns a 3590.50 speedy, having zeroed in on that as the reference I particularly wanted to buy, I can tell you what I understand to be the case and I'm happy to be corrected if wrong. The transition to the 3570.50 took place I believe around 1996 and included an updated bracelet design which was the 1499 bracelet, different in style to the 1479 found on the 3590.50 (mine included). You can find some 'transitional' 3750.50 models with the 1499 bracelet that have a tritium dial with now yellowed lume plots before tritium dials were phased out entirely in 1997. These transitional models also came with the updated 3570.50 bezel insert that restored the accent above Tachymètre.

My speedy's serial, which begins 4829 is, based on looking the ilovemyspeedmaster.com date estimates around early 1994.

So, although not having seen any images of your watch, I'd be surprised if a 77x serial from 1999/2000 could be a 3590.50. If I'm looking at an original 3590.50 I expect to see as a minimum a tritium dial and hands, no accent above Tachymetre on the bezel insert and the 1479 bracelet.

It really depends what you wanted; for me these characteristics were some of the reasons why I was buying it so obviously had to be there. If you're just trying to determine exactly what reference yours is and you don't mind about anything else then it's of little consquence, especially the exact year of production.

Thanks for that. The watch hasn't arrived yet, but this is from the advertisement. Accent over the E.

 
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It's most likely a 3570.50. But it looks like it comes with the warranty card, that should have the reference on it - what does it say?

 
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It's most likely a 3570.50. But it looks like it comes with the warranty card, that should have the reference on it - what does it say?

3590.50
 
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In that case I don't know. Do you have a picture of the bracelet clasp?

What I do know is that there are 'transitional' 3570.50 models with tritium dials and hands that are in the 483x serial range, so to have a 3590.50 in the 77x range would seem odd. The box looks period correct for a late 90s speedy but the red card isn't necessarily what I'd expect to see from that same era but who knows what may have been put together by an AD when it was first sold or whether the box is an add by the dealer.

So the options seem to be that it is a 3590.50 but with service dial, hands, bezel and bracelet, and with a warranty card whose style is seemingly a few years later than the last 3590.50 for whatever reason. You could surmise it sat around unsold or forgotten for a few years before sale, but then why the 77x serial? Or it's a 3570.50 with original parts with a period correct for early 2000s warranty card and serial number that erroneously had the 3590.50 reference stated on it.

Is it going to bother you? Are you concerned about authenticity? If not then I wouldn't sweat it too much.
 
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In that case I don't know. Do you have a picture of the bracelet clasp?

What I do know is that there are 'transitional' 3570.50 models with tritium dials and hands that are in the 483x serial range, so to have a 3590.50 in the 77x range would seem odd. The box looks period correct for a late 90s speedy but the red card isn't necessarily what I'd expect to see from that same era but who knows what may have been put together by an AD when it was first sold or whether the box is an add by the dealer.

So the options seem to be that it is a 3590.50 but with service dial, hands, bezel and bracelet, and with a warranty card whose style is seemingly a few years later than the last 3590.50 for whatever reason. You could surmise it sat around unsold or forgotten for a few years before sale, but then why the 77x serial? Or it's a 3570.50 with original parts with a period correct for early 2000s warranty card and serial number that erroneously had the 3590.50 reference stated on it.

Is it going to bother you? Are you concerned about authenticity? If not then I wouldn't sweat it too much.
It's certified by Chrono 24 directly, so I'm not overly worried about authenticity. I was just baffled by the date given and knowing it was three years after the 3590.50 was supposed to have ceased in 97, though I know there was a transition period through to at least 2000. I'm also led to believe (through searches) that the 77 relates to the movement's serial number and relates to being produced in 2000. This is what I was told "If your Omega Speedmaster’s number begins with 77, it means the watch was produced in 2000, which aligns with the tail-end of the production run for the 3590.50 series—just before Omega transitioned fully to the 3570.50 reference (which had the same design but used Luminova instead of tritium)." but happy to have this corrected.
 
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I'm not really understanding, what do you mean by authenticity? Was this described as 100% original? It's one thing for a watch to be described as "legit," because service parts are always legit parts. That's a different matter from original, and therefore collectible.

Are you wanting someone to tell you the exact year of manufacture, or weigh in on the originality of the watch?
 
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I'm not really understanding, what do you mean by authenticity? Was this described as 100% original? It's one thing for a watch to be described as "legit," because service parts are always legit parts. That's a different matter from original, and therefore collectible.

Are you wanting someone to tell you the exact year of manufacture, or weigh in on the originality of the watch?
The watch was advertised as "100%" original. It is advertised as a 3590.50 and the year 2000. The 3590.50 stopped production in 1997, three years earlier than the advertised production date (2000). So my question is: Were 3590.50 Speedmasters still being made/sold into 2000? The anomaly is pretty obvious, unless I'm missing something. Thanks, Bulldog77, for your help with this.
 
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The bottom line is no, the 3590.50 was not still in production in 2000.

The 3590.50 changed to the 3570.50 in 1996. The transitional models were 3570.50s that used tritium dials/hands and some had 861 movements before the transition was completed to the 1861 movement and then superluminova dials and hands. But they were 3570.50s not 3590.50s. As I've said, the serial numbers for these transitional 3570.50 models tend to be in the 483x range. As I understand it there was not an overlap in production of the 3590.50 and the 3570.50 that went on for any period of time. Certainly there would have been existing stock of 3590.50s sitting in ADs still being sold after production had ceased, but they would not have had 77x serials.

The 77x serials as best I know, came in around 1999/2000. However that wasn't the end of them, you can find speedys sold well into the noughties with 77x serials and they weren't all made in 2000. So to suggest all 77x serial speedys were made in the year 2000 would be inaccurate.

Red plastic Omega warranty cards like that based on my experience of owning and researching various Omega models from that period with box/papers, only started to appear in at the earliest 2002 and more frequently 2003. For the years immediately prior to that the cards were an off-white cream colour.

You appear to have a genuine speedy with box and papers that is on the face of it a 3570.50 from the early 2000s which for some reason has the reference 3590.50 on the warranty card. Nobody here is likely going to be able to explain why that is. Whether it's an issue for you is going to depend on you and your motives for buying it.