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Help on authenticity of vintage 30T2 model
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Dan S
·Did you mean to say minute and hour hands? They look the same.
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redpcar
·Does it run? It's not running in the pics.
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airansun
·I’ll take a crack at this.
Dial is original and nice. The hands are wrong and come from a later watch.
I wonder if the movement and the case belong together. I think the movement is from the mid 40’s and the case is from the early 50’s, judging from the serial number and reference number on the caseback.
And I can’t see enough to tell if it’s a marked 30T2.
From Omega’s website.
Dial is original and nice. The hands are wrong and come from a later watch.
I wonder if the movement and the case belong together. I think the movement is from the mid 40’s and the case is from the early 50’s, judging from the serial number and reference number on the caseback.
And I can’t see enough to tell if it’s a marked 30T2.
From Omega’s website.
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redpcar
·Ask him to wind it. As a buyer, I am always concerned when pictures are taken without bothering to wind.
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Dan S
·I’ll take a crack at this.
Dial is original and nice. The hands are wrong and come from a later watch.
I wonder if the movement and the case belong together. I think the movement is from the mid 40’s and the case is from the early 50’s, judging from the serial number and reference number on the caseback.
And I can’t see enough to tell if it’s a marked 30T2.
From Omega’s website.
The movement and case could both be from the mid 1940s IMO, but what is confusing me is the lack of shock protection. Of course, the OVD is often incomplete, so maybe the ref 2271 came with unprotected 30mm movements, and not just the 260 and 265. I haven't done a google search on the reference.
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airansun
·The movement and case could both be from the mid 1940s IMO, but what is confusing me is the lack of shock protection. Of course, the OVD is often incomplete, so maybe the ref 2271 came with unprotected 30mm movements, and not just the 260 and 265. I haven't done a google search on the reference.
The only 2271-6’s I could find were all ‘53, ‘54 production, while the serial number on the movement is just post WW2.
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OmegaP99
·That aside, in the side shot the caseback doesn't look properly seated above the crown, maybe he didn't snap it fully in the pic but would be good to make sure it's not sprung or it would need a replacement.
The case still has nice creases on the lugs so not overpolished, and the dial is beautiful.
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Shawn092
·Thank you everyone for your replies! I have asked the seller to wind up the watch to check the accuracy. He said he'll update me tomorrow on it but mentioned that it will probably be off by minutes and not seconds. Is that normal? As for the case back, I believe as per the photo it's not able to snap back fully. Is that an easy fix? He's asking about 400usd for it. What do you guys think? I really like it but don't want to be irrational.
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·Thank you everyone for your replies! I have asked the seller to wind up the watch to check the accuracy. He said he'll update me tomorrow on it but mentioned that it will probably be off by minutes and not seconds. Is that normal? As for the case back, I believe as per the photo it's not able to snap back fully. Is that an easy fix? He's asking about 400usd for it. What do you guys think? I really like it but don't want to be irrational.
Sounds like it would need a service nevertheless so that 400usd will easily be 6-700usd and for that money you can find something better IMO
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Maskelyne
·I agree with hejsam and consider it to be a franken. Look for another piece, they are out there and put som money in for a much better watch.
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Shawn092
·Thanks guys for your input. Think I'll pass on this one. So thankful that there is a community like this online to steer me in the right direction! Cheers!
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OmegaP99
·I'm reserving judgment until we hear back from the seller. Is there any possibility that movements would have been built but not installed into a case for a few years, especially in the postwar period? It sounds like we also don't know for sure if the caseback closes or if it was left askew because he removed it to photograph the movement. Personally I like the dial. We don't yet know how the timing really looks, but still can assume a service if there's no documentation.
So it either has everything wrong, or might just have the wrong hands. Seller's response will clear up most of this.
So it either has everything wrong, or might just have the wrong hands. Seller's response will clear up most of this.
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·Is there any possibility that movements would have been built but not installed into a case for a few years, especially in the postwar period?
I very much doubt it. Post war was a boom time for Omega; roughly 2 to 3 million Omega watches were churned out in between the time the movement was made and the case came in.
Seller's response will clear up most of this.
I’m always surprised at how little most sellers really know about the stuff they’re selling. You’ll need to judge for yourself.
Be careful not to fall in love before you’re sure of the piece.
BTW, it is a lovely dial.
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OmegaP99
·I very much doubt it. Post war was a boom time for Omega; roughly 2 to 3 million Omega watches were churned out in between the time the movement was made and the case came in.
I’m always surprised at how little most sellers really know about the stuff they’re selling. You’ll need to judge for yourself.
Be careful not to fall in love before you’re sure of the piece.
BTW, it is a lovely dial.
Well that pretty much seals it's fate then, the mismatched case and movement. I was imaging piles of luxury goods sitting in piles during the austere post-war period, but of course that was more in Europe and many places were celebrating the war's end and spending was rampant, such as in the US. FYI I'm not the buyer, just offering opinions as well.
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·Some countries experienced a post war boom period (USA in particular), some other definitely did not - The UK was in a terrible state for a decade after the war ended, with rationing, crap food supplies, and very little in the way of luxury goods on offer ( even for the 1% who could afford luxury goods)
i also collect fountain pens, and for every 100 English made Parker 51 i see post war period with a lustraloy ( ie stainless steel cap), you will be extremely lucky to find Just 1 Parker 51 with an English made rolled gold cap - no one could afford them !
i have only seen 1 in 12 years of collecting these things
i also collect fountain pens, and for every 100 English made Parker 51 i see post war period with a lustraloy ( ie stainless steel cap), you will be extremely lucky to find Just 1 Parker 51 with an English made rolled gold cap - no one could afford them !
i have only seen 1 in 12 years of collecting these things
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OmegaP99
·Some countries experienced a post war boom period (USA in particular), some other definitely did not - The UK was in a terrible state for a decade after the war ended, with rationing, crap food supplies, and very little in the way of luxury goods on offer ( even for the 1% who could afford luxury goods)
A fascinating period in history. I suppose it's clear the US had a different path simply because no fighting occurred here (well, aside from Pearl Harbor, it's arguable if you consider Japanese fire bomb balloons and Submarine cannon bombardment of Santa Barbara oil fields) but yet gained so much from the wartime industrial output, it was a perfect economic storm, tho in quite opposite ways, on both sides of the Atlantic.
