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robocaspar
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Hi all,


Just came back from a road trip to pick this up. Closer inspection has me wondering about certain details on the dial.

It seems to pass the MOY test, but the Omega logo and star aren't perfectly aligned. Also the dial has the look of a gold dial and shines like one, but as far as I know, gold dials only appeared on 18k gold cases and this one is a 2 tone case.

Opinions certainly appreciated.
 
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robocaspar
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Actually, looking at the macro shots on a PC monitor, it looks like there's glue between the letters of Omega. Possible that the markers fell off and were glued back? Or would they indicated a redial?
 
michael22
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The horizontal line looks thicker than the vertical.
There are T's on the dial, but not lume?
 
padders
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Look at where the vert line hits the logo. They can be off but never that far, unless the logo is loose. That and the Ts with no lume says redial to me. They did the text pretty well but it can’t be original.
 
Peemacgee
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If they hadn’t put the cross-hairs on, this might have passed a cursory inspection.
But:
gold dials are for 18k deluxe watches
It doesn’t pass the MOY test
The applied OMEGA is a mess
The 5 minutes haches are inconsistent
Ts and no lume.

As @padders says, the lettering is really quite good but a redial in my book.
 
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Shabbaz Shabbaz
Yes. The lettering indeed is good.

Is it?

The ‘constellation’ script although similar, looks quite naive to me.
 
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Davidt Davidt
Is it?
IMO it is. When I look at the overall appearance of the text I would say this is a better executed redial then most. The shape of the n's, the font, (the line up of the) numerals.
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
If they hadn’t put the cross-hairs on, this might have passed a cursory inspection.
But:
gold dials are for 18k deluxe watches
It doesn’t pass the MOY test
The applied OMEGA is a mess
The 5 minutes haches are inconsistent
Ts and no lume.

As @padders says, the lettering is really quite good but a redial in my book.


So is this a gold dial? I guess the only way to know is to check the back of the dial for a hallmark?

I read in the MOY pdf from Desmond's blog that some dials can fail MOY test due to inconsistency's in manufacturing.

Strange's part of this dial is the position of logos and the T Swiss without lume. If it was a redial it seems odd they did such a good job with the script and went lazy reapplying the Omega and star.
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robocaspar robocaspar
So is this a gold dial? I guess the only way to know is to check the back of the dial for a hallmark?

I read in the MOY pdf from Desmond's blog that some dials can fail MOY test due to inconsistency's in manufacturing.

Strange's part of this dial is the position of logos and the T Swiss without lume. If it was a redial it seems odd they did such a good job with the script and went lazy reapplying the Omega and star.
Unlikely, if it had the OM marks I would be more persuaded but it is likely just a repainted brass dial.
 
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Am I the only person who sees lume? It's most visible on the 5 o'clock marker. And the hands have slits, surely for lume? But if it's that obvious to me then it ought to be obvious to everyone else, so maybe I am missing something even more obvious that you've all spotted....🙁

What bothers me more is the placement of Constellation with the letter e biting the line and the l way over to the right.
 
robocaspar
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I'll have it opened up on Monday and will take closer shots of all the questionable parts.
 
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Edward53 Edward53
Am I the only person who sees lume? It's most visible on the 5 o'clock marker. And the hands have slits, surely for lume? But if it's that obvious to me then it ought to be obvious to everyone else, so maybe I am missing something even more obvious that you've all spotted....🙁

What bothers me more is the placement of Constellation with the letter e biting the line and the l way over to the right.

you're absolutely right - a cautionary tale about viewing on a phone
easiest to see the notch for lume on the 2 index
I think the hands have black paint inserts
the text and symbol in relation to the vertical cross hair is definitely off.
I wasn't sure about the indices style (pointed one end) but there are a couple of similar (but not exactly the same) ones in the show and tell thread and one ( @Darlinboy's) is a 1964 dogleg -so would've had tritium

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robocaspar robocaspar
So is this a gold dial? I guess the only way to know is to check the back of the dial for a hallmark?

I read in the MOY pdf from Desmond's blog that some dials can fail MOY test due to inconsistency's in manufacturing.

padders padders
Unlikely, if it had the OM marks I would be more persuaded but it is likely just a repainted brass dial.

The MOY can be off -it just one of the tells of a possible redial

There's not that many gold-dialed Connies with OM marked dials, these tended to come late 60s onwards but I agree that it is unlikely to be a gold dial
(BTW they're usually just stamped 18k on the back rather than hallmarked)
 
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just because there is a notch for lume doesn't mean there is lume. I still see no lume.
It looks like a dial painted gold, not a gold dial.
 
robocaspar
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Confirmed it's not a gold dial. No lume either, there's 4 black (onyx?) inserts at 3-6-9-12. Dial feet look to be soldered too.

I'm having trouble adding photos on the cellphone. Will post pictures this evening.

For the price paid (750$) it's not a terrible loss, considering the case & movement condition.
 
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robocaspar robocaspar
Confirmed it's not a gold dial. No lume either, there's 4 black (onyx?) inserts at 3-6-9-12. Dial feet look to be soldered too.

I'm having trouble adding photos on the cellphone. Will post pictures this evening.

For the price paid (750$) it's not a terrible loss, considering the case & movement condition.

I admire your stoicism 👍
 
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