help me identify this watch with broad arrow hands

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impuntura

·Nov 1, 2021

hello folks, longtime lurker new member .I hope my first post is not an embarrassment and a success instead.
so anyway I recently acquired this watch very cheap, and it has me stumped.
I had it serviced and my watchmaker insists that both the hands and dial are original, BUT I cannot find another one like it.
what is going on here exactly.
has a 501 movement serial dates it to 1956,I know about the railmaster seamasters but they dont have the Automatic under the Omega.
caseback is 2846 2 SC 2848
anyway any input is appreciated ,positive or otherwise.
i just wanna know what I have.
obviously i would rather not be dissapointed but i do quite like it ether way.

 

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ckhaing

·Nov 1, 2021

extremely unique

maybe limited edition 1/1

if not, that could be a non-factory example

Edited: Nov 2, 2021

 

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watchyouwant

·Nov 1, 2021

Looks good. Dial and hands original. Combination with your case I do not know. Lume plots are painted on. Not like the lume wells on the Railmaster with the soft iron dial. Maybe a Ranchero sibling ? Kind regards. Achim

 

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sleepyastronaut

·Nov 1, 2021

Since this model has center seconds, the case model number 2846 applies. 501 is a correct movement for this case, with either 19 or 20 jewels.

 

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impuntura

·Nov 1, 2021

sleepyastronaut

Since this model has center seconds, the case model number 2846 applies. 501 is a correct movement for this case, with either 19 or 20 jewels.

But have you ever seen one like this before ?
How rare is this watch ?
Ps thank you for the responses so far .

 

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mac_omega

·Nov 2, 2021

watchyouwant

Lume plots are painted on. Not like the lume wells on the Railmaster

Achim, IMHO it has wells... look at the (3 o´clock) lume plot I have marked...

 

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watchyouwant

·Nov 2, 2021

mac_omega

Achim, IMHO it has wells... look at the (3 o´clock) lume plot I have marked...

You might be right.... To me that dial does not look like a flat soft iron dial. It seems curved at the outer edge. If these are Lume wells, then maybe lightly pressed into the curved dial ? Tell the Watchmaker to have a closer look at that dial: curved metal or thicker soft iron. I vote for the first option so far.

 

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No Mercy

·Nov 2, 2021

I well know this "special" lume color, my conclusion is a fake dial and fake hands from a piece of iron 😎

 

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JimInOz

·Nov 2, 2021·Melbourne Australia

Following with interest.

A nice KO 2846 with an unusual dial. If it's a fake then it's been well done to my eyes.

I can also see edges around the lume at 3 and 4 that could be lume wells or raised borders.

 

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Boojumhunter

·Nov 2, 2021

Typography on the dial looks spot on. And if bought "cheap", you would have to be a pretty daft master forger for such little return on the effort!

 

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watchyouwant

·Nov 2, 2021

No Mercy

I well know this "special" lume color, my conclusion is a fake dial and fake hands from a piece of iron 😎

Dial and hands look original to me. Typical plated metal degradation from Radium. Consistent with the spotted surface of the dial. The Geiger should become very busy, if that much Radium is present ....

 

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No Mercy

·Nov 2, 2021

watchyouwant

Dial and hands look original to me. Typical plated metal degradation from Radium. Consistent with the spotted surface of the dial. The Geiger should become very busy, if that much Radium is present ....

Do you see that the lume looks the same as this 1 of a kind Universal Polefaker?

 

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ConElPueblo

·Nov 2, 2021

I think it is some sort of franken. The dial looks good, but on a gold (or gold capped) watch the hands should surely match the metal indices and/or the case material, right?

 

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hejsam

·Nov 2, 2021

Cant figure out what this dial comes from, its definitely some kind of franken / put togheter parts from different models IMO.

To the better learned - did any Omega model came with a dial like this originally: broad arrow - seamaster - automatic?

 

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cristos71

·Nov 2, 2021

I have seen a dial and handset like this before in a 50's steel Seamaster watch once a few years ago at a watch fair. I don't recall the reference and would have bought it except for the price. I do agree that with the OP's watch the dial/hands look very out of place in this gold top case.

 

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padders

·Nov 2, 2021·Oooo subtitles!

ConElPueblo

I think it is some sort of franken. The dial looks good, but on a gold (or gold capped) watch the hands should surely match the metal indices and/or the case material, right?

I was thinking exactly the same but then I remembered that Omega have got form for putting this kind of dial in a plated or capped case. I think there my have been a Ranchero or similar like this. Silver hands in a gold case is surely a red flag though as you say so I doubt it is fully original.

On balance I too think franken and am 95% of that mind simply because I have never seen anything remotely like this in a 2846. If it is legit and can get an exact mentioning the dial it would be rare and interesting, otherwise I would steer clear since there is a big mismatch in looks between dial and case finish.

If it were a Franken, the next question would be where exactly did that dial come from? PAF RM/Seamaster (EDIT, it wouldn't have Auto were that the case)? . There are likely very convincing PAF style fake dials out there, maybe it is one of those.

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Shabbaz

·Nov 2, 2021

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But have you ever seen one like this before ?

Nope. Personally I would stay away from this one.

 

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seekingseaquest

·Nov 2, 2021

I’ve seen at least one of these in steel.. can’t seem to find photos but will keep looking. That doesn’t mean they’re correct, though.

 

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seekingseaquest

·Nov 2, 2021

Here’s one - this isn’t the only one I’ve seen, though. Will keep digging.

https://www.thevintageur.com/product/omega-seamaster-ck2846-broad-arrow/

 

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Shabbaz

·Nov 2, 2021

seekingseaquest

I’ve seen at least one of these in steel.. can’t seem to find photos but will keep looking. That doesn’t mean they’re correct, though.

Yes. But in a gold case? I can not imagine that these came in something else then steel.