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Help: Is this explorer 16570 unpolished?

  1. mahomes Nov 5, 2022

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    Hello All!

    I just got the chance to buy the 16570 polar, which has been on my WTB list for quite a while. This one is unpolished according to the owner, and I don’t think he’s lying. But it would be helpful to get some opinions on it! Here’s some of the pictures I got :)
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  2. Scarecrow Boat Burt Macklin, FBI Nov 5, 2022

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    For the sake of longevity, please post pictures not links
     
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  3. mahomes Nov 5, 2022

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    Just received them from the owner directly instead of the link. I uploaded them above :)
     
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  4. blufinz52 Hears dead people, not watch rotors. Nov 5, 2022

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    I don’t think it’s been polished, but others may chime in. In any case, it’s a great watch. Congrats.
     
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  5. mahomes Nov 5, 2022

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    Thanks for input!
     
  6. asrnj77 Nov 5, 2022

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    It doesn’t appear to be over-polished to me. I’d say it’s nearly impossible to say whether it’s ever been polished from the photos. To that point who cares if it’s been polished so long as all the original details are there? Unless the seller is the original owner they can’t say it’s “unpolished” but again it looks good and that’s all that matters.
     
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  7. Dan S Nov 5, 2022

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    Based on the limited photos, I'm not 100% on the watch. In particular, the magnifier certainly does not look correct, and that would make me want to look closely at everything. The replicas are pretty good these days.
     
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  8. mahomes Nov 5, 2022

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    Is there anything particular pictures you would like me to ask the seller for?
     
  9. mahomes Nov 5, 2022

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    I would also add that the seller recently serviced the watch at an AD, and has papers from the service. I doubt that they would service the watch if they suspected anything fake on the watch?
     
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  10. bananapeanut Nov 6, 2022

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    I'd look up the AD and call them to make sure they have a record of the service.
     
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  11. mahomes Nov 6, 2022

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    The seller seems trust worthy, but I’ll take take that into consideration, thanks!
     
  12. Duracuir1 Never Used A Kodak Nov 6, 2022

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    Interesting that all of the straight on shots happen to have a hand in the magnifier. Trust Dan here and investigate. And good luck in your quest for a nice watch.
     
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  13. janice&fred Nov 6, 2022

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    As another member mentioned the watch looks good and polished or not it has all it's correct lines. Polished doesn't mean a deal-breaker to me as long as the case and lugs are still thick and sharp. It's a sapphire fairly modern watch so doubtful it is going to be scrutinized as closely as a plastic vintage piece down the road.
    However if Dan mentioned a concern you best look into it before paying as he knows his way around Rolex.
     
  14. mahomes Nov 7, 2022

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    Thanks all for chipping in. I reached out to seller and didn’t get any reply. Looks like the deal may break off, which won’t bother me to much considering the concern about the glass and magnifier that @Dan S pointed out.
    The deal doesn’t look likely… but I’ll get you guys posted if I get any updates :)
     
  15. mahomes Nov 7, 2022

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    I got a couple of pictures from the seller that doesn’t hide the magnifier. The watch had originally a black dial from -95 with W-serial, but got switched at some point.
    Here’s two more shots of the dial :)
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  16. asrnj77 Nov 7, 2022

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    I would hope it’s a very good price. I see a seller currently asking $6500 for an unmolested black dial one. You can always swap in your own white service dial if that’s what you like.
     
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  17. MtnMarine Nov 7, 2022

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    Note to add: swapping the dials usually includes swapping the hands as well. WG with black dial vs Black hands on white dial. Not required just aesthetic.
     
  18. mahomes Nov 7, 2022

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    Hands were probably swapped as well, the gmt-hand got a crack.
    Isn’t it strange to allow a swap to a “swiss made” dial when the original one was “swiss -T<25”?
     
  19. Dan S Nov 7, 2022

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    The white dial is a luminova service dial. Most likely this would not have been done by Rolex, since they won't return parts.
     
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  20. JwRosenthal Nov 7, 2022

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    The Tritium hands appear to be in the case with the black dial, you can see them on the sides.
    I swapped the silver SLN dial out of my Airking with a Tritium black dial & hands- kept the originals just like this seller. I have no problem with it as long as the original parts accompany the watch. But if I were to sell I wouldn’t ask for a premium for the black dial over what the cost of the dial was itself….which was about $350